The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by Antiriad2097 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:47 am

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Indeed. But that in turn makes the list misleading as it becomes not "what was the best for gaming" but more "who here owned one".

With regards to the Spectrum and Amstrad debate, i'm genuinely intrigued. Does Spectrum still have an active fanbase in 2018? Are people still writing games for the system that are intended to be played ON the system rather than through an emulator?

You've got that completely round the wrong way. Out Run or R-Type are the exceptions to the rule, not the definition.
You give yourself away a bit by not having a clue about the current Spectrum scene. The poll is for 'best gaming system's, not 'which is technically superior'. I can't think of a system that has more games 'released for it each month than Spectrum. There's a constant stream of them. They can almost all be played on real hardware, games that only work with emulators are exceptionally rare. Your cluelessness about Speccy games is further compounded by the assertion that Amstrad has a majority of good games over Spectrum. It doesn't even come close. I realise I may be coming across as fanboyish here, but how else can I deal with such a blinkered view of Amstrad.

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by Mayhem » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:52 am

Although the C64 probably pushes the Speccy close in terms of new releases, even if they are not lauded... although games such as Steel Ranger, Sam's Journey, and Luftrauserz are incredible, and would have impressed back in the actual day.

To the argument at hand, I voted for the Dreamcast and I've never owned one! Sure it was down my list a bit, but there are some excellent games available for it, and I've played a fair share in my time. I think my top three were SNES, C64 (you expected otherwise?!) and Xbox360, then maybe PS2 and Mega Drive.
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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by Matt_B » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:28 pm

Yeah, you've got to take these lists with a pinch of salt. They're part popularity contest, part rose-tinted nostalgia, and part unfinished playground argument with maybe just a little bit of objectivity thrown in by some.

As for the popularity of machines like the Spectrum and C64 with developers, I'd think that their relative simplicity helps a lot. There are great tools out there to get you started, and you're going to finish fairly quickly when you've run out of RAM. Meanwhile, the limited sound and graphics capabilities tend to mean that you don't need to enlist a team of specialists in those areas to work with.

While later hardware might be far more capable in principle, there's so much more to get to grips with and that you'd be expected to do with them, that it's much more difficult to see a project through to completion. Also, of all the console systems out there it would seem to be the Atari 2600 that gets the most homebrew and that's far and away the simplest of the big selling ones. Even then though, it's a rather tricky thing to program if you're used to the 8-bit micros.

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by BarbaricAvatar » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:55 pm

Antiriad2097 wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:47 am
BarbaricAvatar wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:40 pm
Indeed. But that in turn makes the list misleading as it becomes not "what was the best for gaming" but more "who here owned one".

With regards to the Spectrum and Amstrad debate, i'm genuinely intrigued. Does Spectrum still have an active fanbase in 2018? Are people still writing games for the system that are intended to be played ON the system rather than through an emulator?

You've got that completely round the wrong way. Out Run or R-Type are the exceptions to the rule, not the definition.
You give yourself away a bit by not having a clue about the current Spectrum scene. The poll is for 'best gaming system's, not 'which is technically superior'. I can't think of a system that has more games 'released for it each month than Spectrum. There's a constant stream of them. They can almost all be played on real hardware, games that only work with emulators are exceptionally rare. Your cluelessness about Speccy games is further compounded by the assertion that Amstrad has a majority of good games over Spectrum. It doesn't even come close. I realise I may be coming across as fanboyish here, but how else can I deal with such a blinkered view of Amstrad.
It's like the Xbox vs Dreamcast vs PS2 debate. Most games play better on Xbox or DC, but my favourite system is the PS2 of the three. But i wouldn't then claim all games are best on PS2 just because i have more hands-on experience and like it more. That would be incredibly daft.
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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by NickThorpe » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:11 am

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I don't think i could have faith in the people who made that list's decision-making and advice-giving abilities.
Yeah, we're not big fans of democracy either. =P
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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by BarbaricAvatar » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:49 am

NickThorpe wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:11 am
BarbaricAvatar wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:53 pm
I don't think i could have faith in the people who made that list's decision-making and advice-giving abilities.
Yeah, we're not big fans of democracy either. =P
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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by psj3809 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:09 pm

I've never seen a poll in a magazine where everyone on the forum says 'great poll, totally agree with that'

Theres loads i dont agree in that poll but i'm not that fussed, there'll be people putting in multiple votes or saying on forums 'please vote for our machine here so it gets high up on the list' for sure. But its just a fun poll, not to be taken seriously, bit of discussion around it but again its just a harmless poll.

Its just when people take it too far it gets embarassing, yeah 'machine x' might be better technically but try telling that to a 13 year old boy at school whos swapping tons of games with his mates back in the 80's ! Yeah you stick with your more 'advanced' computer then while i play tons of great games. Betamax was technically better than VHS but when most people had videos you could swap with no one cared.

But again the Speccy homebrew scene is massive, look at one developers games alone...

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseek ... loadpics=1

The Speccy homebrew scene is huge

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by The Laird » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:00 am

NickThorpe wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:58 pm
The final list, for those of you that missed it:
You mentioned you were going to post the rest of the list after 30 too, but you only said the Atari ST came 31st.

Any chance you can put it up Nick?

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by NickThorpe » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:54 am

Places 31-50 were posted in the Feedback thread for the issue, you were pleased with how well the Jaguar did. Here's a link.
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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by The Laird » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:15 pm

NickThorpe wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:54 am
Places 31-50 were posted in the Feedback thread for the issue, you were pleased with how well the Jaguar did. Here's a link.
Whoops! I even answered :oops:

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by icemann » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:54 am

One thing I'd ask is why the PC is never included in such polls? Its just as valid as the others.
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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by Matt_B » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:00 pm

icemann wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:54 am
One thing I'd ask is why the PC is never included in such polls? Its just as valid as the others.
It was included and is ranked at number 16.

There are also a few home computers ranked individually - including the Amiga, C64 and Spectrum - that may fall into the realms of PCs depending upon how you define it. Still, this is mostly a console oriented forum and I'd think that the poll reflects that.

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by icemann » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:29 pm

Fair enough.

RG needs to do a PC article at some point. Covering PC from it's very beginnings up to present day. I don't recall reading an article on it so far. Would make for great reading, as the PC has just as much to do with retro (DOS and early Windows days) to the present.
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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by PostieDoc » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:55 pm

To be fair, there is a lot more coverage of PC games and developers in the magazine now compared to when I first started reading it.

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by icemann » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:03 am

Oh definitely. All I'm saying is that I'd love to see the magazine do an article on the PC as a whole. From how it started out to where things are now. Be quite fascinating.

When you look back the PC for the 80s was ignored by many in favor of the Amiga and other computer variants. Then along came the 90s and everything changed.
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