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Re: What Films/TV Have you Watched Recently?

Post by Antiriad2097 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:59 pm

knightintosh wrote:The excuses for pirating (stealing) are ludicrous. By not purchasing them or the service they're exclusively on, you're watching it by stealing it instead of paying for something. Instead of the money going where it should, into the hands of those that create it. Sickening.
No. Because they wouldn't be getting that money. Because I wouldn't be buying their DVDs or paying for their TV services, I'd be watching something else instead.

There is a huge difference between downloading something just because you can, and actively paying for it. Paid for stuff has to be a much higher standard, or people just go without. If I couldn't download most of the shows I watch, I wouldn't miss them. They are fluff, background filler.

So who is losing out?

I'm not trying to justify it, just highlighting that piracy does not equal a lost sale on a 1:1 basis. Yes, some people will pirate things they might actually pay for, but in an awful lot of cases, especially on a place like this where we're all grown up and have disposable income, that isn't generally the case.

You're getting bit Daily Mail on me again ;)
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Post by psj3809 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:27 pm

knightintosh wrote:The excuses for pirating (stealing) are ludicrous. By not purchasing them or the service they're exclusively on, you're watching it by stealing it instead of paying for something. Instead of the money going where it should, into the hands of those that create it. Sickening.
So are you an angel ? Yes piracy is bad, i would say speeding in a car is far worse, so you've never gone over the speed limit ?

You dont have a single mp3 you didnt pay for ? Every download you've ever done is legit ? You've never ripped one of your own albums? Looking at your post history you had a near complete set of Commodore Format and used PDF's for the missing issues - thats not legal is it ? Do you own the rights to those scanned magazines ?

We're on a forum called Retro Gamer, you honestly dont have any games on any emulators at all ?

I've bought the Clone Wars dvds - all of them but i didnt feel guilty downloading episodes previously. Why ? They were on 'Sky movies' - this is a 20 minute cartoon ! Just a con by Sky to try and get parents to get Sky Movies for their kids (and star wars fans !). Hate it when companies do stuff like that

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Re: What Films/TV Have you Watched Recently?

Post by DPrinny » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:31 pm

psj3809 wrote:? You've never ripped one of your own albums? So you've got permission on your site for all that Oink stuff ? Surely thats copyrighted ?
Thats a werid one, one of the "huh" laws that says we are not allowed to make MP3s of our own CDs. Thats the second thing I do with any new album I buy
Know some modern albums come with a MP3 download to stop this, as long as its not on bloody itunes im ok

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Post by knightintosh » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:03 pm

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knightintosh wrote:The excuses for pirating (stealing) are ludicrous. By not purchasing them or the service they're exclusively on, you're watching it by stealing it instead of paying for something. Instead of the money going where it should, into the hands of those that create it. Sickening.
So are you an angel ? Yes piracy is bad, i would say speeding in a car is far worse, so you've never gone over the speed limit ?

You dont have a single mp3 you didnt pay for ? Every download you've ever done is legit ? You've never ripped one of your own albums? Looking at your post history you had a near complete set of Commodore Format and used PDF's for the missing issues - thats not legal is it ? Do you own the rights to those scanned magazines ?

We're on a forum called Retro Gamer, you honestly dont have any games on any emulators at all ?

I've bought the Clone Wars dvds - all of them but i didnt feel guilty downloading episodes previously. Why ? They were on 'Sky movies' - this is a 20 minute cartoon ! Just a con by Sky to try and get parents to get Sky Movies for their kids (and star wars fans !). Hate it when companies do stuff like that
I see you've deleted the comment about Oink!, since you probably saw the notice at the bottom of every page of my blog which clearly states scans are all used with full permission of the publisher. So yes, don't rant before checking your facts.

If you don't want to pay for stuff then you do without, simple as that, you don't have any right to steal it. If you really want something you pay for it, simple as that. People think the internet gives them all these excuses but that's all they are - excuses. And it can equate to a 1:1 loss of sale. It simply is, as instead of buying it, you stole it. Now if you didn't want to spend the money, then you simply go without, you don't steal it. If you didn't have enough money for a car, or a shirt, or a book, do you steal it and say "Oh I didn't want to pay for it" and expect that to be ok? No, of course not. And every time you steal these things less money is going back to where it was made, meaning less money for those whose wages are tied up in sales/profit, and less money to invest in future projects - meaning less projects and less people working on each one. In the entertainment industry people don't have nice, regular wages like you do. They have to go from job to job, so if you want to download something do it legally and pay for it, otherwise do without! Because yes it is theft, and yes it is a loss of sale as you now have it without paying for it.

Here in Northern Ireland they are desperate for Game of Thornes to continue as there's so much money invested in it over here, and so many jobs at risk. But those selfish pricks who download it illegally are jeopardising all of that as they believe they've some god-given right not to pay for stuff, and it's been close to cancellation before. I don't watch it, but seeing people pirate it and how it could affect so many, just sickens me!

As for your raft of accusations - no, I have nothing stolen in my music collection, all my music is on iTunes and paid for or from my own CDs which is legal as I believe those whose job it is to create that music, whose livelihood depends on sales, whose wage isn't guaranteed, shouldn't have their hard work stolen from them! The Commodore Formats were downloaded from a website which housed them with full permission from Future as they'd dropped the copyright on doing so. I also have no emulators because I prefer the original machines. Some sites though, such as Lemon 64, have perfectly legal emulators as the games are out of copyright.

You don't want to pay for it, don't steal it.
If you want to watch it, pay for it.

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Post by knightintosh » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:12 pm

Here's one example. A friend of mine by the name of David Leach is a freelance cartoonist. Amongst other projects he also made a Psycho Gran comic, resurrecting one of the Oink! characters in her own digital title. It took him a full year to make it - to write, design, pencil, ink, colour, edit and publish. A year of hard slog. It only cost £1.49, yet within hours of it going online it was on torrent sites with people stealing it. It was only £1.49 - for a year's work!! That's his wage! And probably being stolen by people who get a nice, cushy regular wage they can rely on. Scumbags the lot of them!

The laws need changed so it's not just those who distribute pirated stuff that get punished. Those that download for themselves need punished too, equated to what the punishment would be if they'd stolen that amount from a shop, whatever that amount is on their home computer or device. It'll never happen unfortunately but that's my opinion.
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Post by Antiriad2097 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:25 pm

It really doesn't equate 1:1 to a lost sale.

You are making a very incorrect assumption that every pirated copy is a lost sale.

As you said yourself, either pay for things or do without. Most pirates would just do without.
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Post by DPrinny » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:31 pm

Problem is, a change of law will only effect this country, all somebody has to do is chuck up a server in a country that dont have the law (say China), they can try to block such sites, but as soon as they are a new one pops up (like Pirate bay).

People even pirate things that are free

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Re: What Films/TV Have you Watched Recently?

Post by gman72 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:38 pm

knightintosh wrote:Sickening.
You have serious over reaction issues.
Murder, rape, genocide, abuse, war, slavery, homophobia, human traffic and other such like atrocities are sickening.
Downloading stuff off the internet is a crime in the eyes of the law and people that do it, myself included, are choosing to break that law but they are not sickening. You'll win no friends on here with this kind of keyboard warrior over reaction.
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Re: What Films/TV Have you Watched Recently?

Post by DPrinny » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:58 pm

gman72 wrote:
knightintosh wrote:Sickening.
You have serious over reaction issues.
Murder, rape, genocide, abuse, war, slavery, homophobia, human traffic and other such like atrocities are sickening.
That was a busy day for me...............

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Re: What Films/TV Have you Watched Recently?

Post by markopoloman » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:27 pm

Well, I downloaded episodes 9 & 10 of Under the Dome and watched them this evening. Feeling guilty at the mo.... well, no.

I used to copy LOADS of games on my C64 - I also purchased hundreds. I did the same on my Amiga and the same on my early PC's. But now that PC gaming is far cheaper I haven't pirated a game for 10+ years. The 360 has no pirated games, the Wii-U has no pirated games....

The TV series I download are done for many reasons but as others have said, if I didn't download and watch them, I would never get to watch them anyway - and if I do really enjoy a series, I'll buy the bloody thing on box set like I did with Battlestar Galactica.

Am I a pirate... yes. Am I ashamed to do what I do... no. Am I a sick for doing this :? Ummm no.

At the end of the day, I pump plenty of cash into the movie/music/game industry. They really aren't losing cash from me as if I don't watch it at the cinema and download it, I'd probably end up watching it at some point on Sky (paying them a shed load of cash every month too) - and there's a point. I pay silly money to Sky for the privilege of watching any of the films they broadcast - so ANY film they have broadcast, I have paid a part of my money/subscription to be able to watch it.
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Post by gman72 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:38 pm

markopoloman wrote:Well, I downloaded episodes 9 & 10 of Under the Dome and watched them this evening. Feeling guilty at the mo.... well, no.

I used to copy LOADS of games on my C64 - I also purchased hundreds. I did the same on my Amiga and the same on my early PC's. But now that PC gaming is far cheaper I haven't pirated a game for 10+ years. The 360 has no pirated games, the Wii-U has no pirated games....

The TV series I download are done for many reasons but as others have said, if I didn't download and watch them, I would never get to watch them anyway - and if I do really enjoy a series, I'll buy the bloody thing on box set like I did with Battlestar Galactica.

Am I a pirate... yes. Am I ashamed to do what I do... no. Am I a sick for doing this :? Ummm no.

At the end of the day, I pump plenty of cash into the movie/music/game industry. They really aren't losing cash from me as if I don't watch it at the cinema and download it, I'd probably end up watching it at some point on Sky (paying them a shed load of cash every month too) - and there's a point. I pay silly money to Sky for the privilege of watching any of the films they broadcast - so ANY film they have broadcast, I have paid a part of my money/subscription to be able to watch it.
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Re: What Films/TV Have you Watched Recently?

Post by markopoloman » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:41 pm

Get your bucket ready.... episode 11 of under the dome is out and I'm downloading it as I type.
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Re: What Films/TV Have you Watched Recently?

Post by RetroAerosmith » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:35 am

Wasnt things like The walking dead, lost and Game of thrones shown within a few hours of US broadcast anyway to avoid pirating issues. is downloading off youtube a form of piracy? i can download all episodes of some series that are available as boxsets too. But then I normally only go for stuff thats not or ever going to be released on dvd like The mad death or the witches and the grinnygog, selective audiences really.

What i think would end a series or film sequal sooner than a pirate is the extortinate pay rises actors expect for sequals. The cast of friends getting a million per episode each?

Anyway on topic, i bought some 3D glasses so have been experimenting with the lacklustre 3d bluray releases (including downloads) beside the odd headache -im impressed- Jurassic Park being an improvement over the original experience too. theyre frigging expensive though. But Im looking forward to getting the Wizard of Oz in 3d.

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Re: What Films/TV Have you Watched Recently?

Post by DPrinny » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:25 am

I once downloaded one episode of Game of thrones

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Re: What Films/TV Have you Watched Recently?

Post by Negative Creep » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:50 am

You'd have more luck removing porn from the internet than pirated media
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