Retro Gamer - Issue 191

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by ely » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:02 am

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With so many green screen CPCs sold, it's inevitable that there would have been a fair few users who invested in the modulator to play on a colour TV.
Yeah this is a good point, I wonder how much the modulator cost?

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by Antiriad2097 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:36 am

Much cheaper than a separate colour TV or monitor. I'm not sure when this ad is from, but £15 would have been a no-brainer, it's only the price of 1 premium game. Granted it was probably more expensive when first launched, but it must have been relatively inexpensive even then, allowing the CPC to move from the green screen in the bedroom to the colour TV in the front room when nobody was watching it.

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by ely » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:40 am

Yeah 15 quid is pretty good value isn't it. I'd love to know why the 6128 one is twice the price mind?!

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by Antiriad2097 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:39 am

Economy of scale. Who bought a 6128 after the disaster that was the 434?
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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by Eric » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 pm

ely wrote:
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Yeah 15 quid is pretty good value isn't it. I'd love to know why the 6128 one is twice the price mind?!
It also had to supply power for the 6128’s disk drive possibly.

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by Antiriad2097 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:42 pm

The 464 one would need to provide tape power, so much of a muchness there. I really would put it down to volumes and stock, they were probably offloading the 464 stuff cheap just to get rid of it by that point.
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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by Eric » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:48 pm

Modulator MP1 was for 464 with the MP2 for 6128. MP2 has an additional 12v port to power the disk drive.

The MP3 was a tv tuner for the colour monitor.

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by Antiriad2097 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:01 am

I stand corrected then. I still think there's an element of shifting old stock though.
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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by ivarf » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:08 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:
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Economy of scale. Who bought a 6128 after the disaster that was the 434?
What do you mean? Disaster? 434? Who bought a 6128?

The 6128 sold very well, over a million machines.

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The 464 one would need to provide tape power, so much of a muchness there. I really would put it down to volumes and stock, they were probably offloading the 464 stuff cheap just to get rid of it by that point.
Getting rid of old stock? Before the GX4000, that was not how Amstrad used to do business.


I had a colour monitor with my 464. Later I bought the unused green screen from a friend. The green screen was great for hires serious work in 640x200 resolution or 320x200. In the end I got a Amstrad MP1 modulator. The output of the the modulator was terrible, up there with the output quality of the C64 and ZX Spectrum.

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by Antiriad2097 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:25 am

464. Typo. Disastrous machine, too little too late, a wannabe that arrived well after the home computer rush of the early 80s, two years after the Spectrum. It should have been a much better system than it was at that point.

Maybe I shoud have put a smiley on the 6128 comment, since I'm clearly just taking the censored there.

It may not be how Amstrad did business, but it was how retailers did. They were bound to have unsold stock taking up warehouse space, and I don't think Amstrad worked on sale or return (though I may be wrong, but it doesn't follow their business model of stacking high and selling cheap).

The modulator quality was fine for the time. It could never compare to the colour monitor, but it was 'good enough' for most considering the price. If that wasn't the case, we'd have seen RGB Scart cables as standard on everything that followed instead of the crappy composite cables that continued to be shipped with consoles right up until the arrival of HDMI, well after RGB scart was standard on every telly.
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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by psj3809 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:07 am

Once the Amstrad got going it appeared to have some decent games, often Speccy 'ports' or at least Speccy games with colour but the whole problem with it was that it just got going too late. It was always a distant third, if your mate had an Amstrad it was laughable and they seemed gutted as they couldnt swap games like all their Speccy/C64 friends could constantly.

But you'll get people being loyal to it as it was their first computer in the 80's. But it just appeared too late, if it appeared when the Speccy did it might have been one of the best machines but again when it came out the Speccy had a huge collection of games as did the C64. Used to get ribbing/jokes from C64 owners back in the 80's but never Amstrad. Wasnt even close back then, Speccy/C64 were number 1 but Amstrad ? You were an unlucky kid if you got one of those (or a BBC) back in the 80's

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by Crusty Starfish » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:19 am

psj3809 wrote:
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Once the Amstrad got going it appeared to have some decent games, often Speccy 'ports' or at least Speccy games with colour but the whole problem with it was that it just got going too late. It was always a distant third, if your mate had an Amstrad it was laughable and they seemed gutted as they couldnt swap games like all their Speccy/C64 friends could constantly.

But you'll get people being loyal to it as it was their first computer in the 80's. But it just appeared too late, if it appeared when the Speccy did it might have been one of the best machines but again when it came out the Speccy had a huge collection of games as did the C64. Used to get ribbing/jokes from C64 owners back in the 80's but never Amstrad. Wasnt even close back then, Speccy/C64 were number 1 but Amstrad ? You were an unlucky kid if you got one of those (or a BBC) back in the 80's
What about poor Atari owners or Commodore 16 owners! I remember going to the local shops and seeing massive selections of C64/Speccy games and a small section with Amstrad games. But the Atari or C16 selection was even more pitiful. I was fortunate enough to have a C64 as well as an Atari though!

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by psj3809 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:17 am

Mentioned it before, one of my mates had an Oric and one a Dragon ! They just had this look on their face of proper disappointment. Luckily the Oric guys parents were quite rich so got him a Speccy a few months later. I dont mean the Speccy was expensive but back then for many families that initial computer in the 80s was an expensive present for their kid so the one they got (in my circle of friends apart from Oric boy) they had to keep that one

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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by Antiriad2097 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:22 am

I was that boy for a while. I got an Oric 1, then had to watch as the game supply trickled away.

When I bought my Spectrum & C64 from Woolworths a couple of years later, the Amstrad wasn't even a consideration.

While it lasted, the Oric was great, and I have much affection for it. I might not have learned to program so much if I'd had more games. I don't regret having it for those reasons, it taught me much. It wasn't a killer system though.
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Re: Retro Gamer - Issue 191

Post by ely » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:50 am

I went from a Dragon 32 (December '82) to an Atari 130XE (with a Floppy Drive) (December '86), neither blunted my love for computers, gaming or the fact there were other more 'popular' machines available. I used to buy The One Amiga magazine even though I never owed an Amiga back in the day. I just loved the whole microcomputer scene really :)

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