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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:23 am
by Opa-Opa
opa-opa wrote:
Anyone sat in the outside lane on a motorway, divering along at 70mph deserves to get cut up from time to time.. :)
RetroENZO wrote: Hmm.... what makes you think that I drive like this? I was driving up the A470, overtaking a stream of traffic doing 70mph. The company van comes screaming up behind me after doing what must have been a ton. I CANNOT pull to the left as there were cars there. Plus I had a car in front of me who I was keeping back from. (I wanted enough room to slow and stop before the van slammed into the back of me). When there was enough space on the left hand side, I moved over. The van chops in front of me almost taking off the driver side wing.

People like this shouldn't be given a skateboard, let alone being left in charge of a company van. He wants to get home to see his kids? Sure, if he doesn't end up in the A&E department taking someone with him in the process.
I was just talking in general, not about your particular incident. Everyone is quick to blame the guy that drives the "white van" all day, for a living....
Opa-Opa wrote:The speed limit laws in this country are an out of date joke, sure it would have taken 5 seconds to slow down from 70 - 30 in 1970's mk2 Escort, but todays cars are much better equiped to slow down safely much faster and doing 80-85mph in a moden, well maintained car is not dangerous.
RetroENZO wrote: Er yes it is. Especially if you're tailgating at 85mph. I swear that some people would even get into your boot if they could get any closer. If they want to flash their headlights at me, fine. I can flash my foglights at them. Plus, not everyone drives a well maintained car. And remember I was talking about a company Transit van so god knows what was on board - NOS canisters for all I know!
No its not.! traveling at 80-85 miles an hour on a suitable road is not dangerous, driving like a censored on any road at any speed is, don't get driving faster safely and driving like a fool mixed up...

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:39 pm
by Dudley
I went on an advanced driving course once and the guy taking that went on a long rant about how the advertising slogan "Speed Kills" was utter bollocks.

Speed doesn't kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

Me driving 35 mph in a 30 limit is almost certainly more dangerous than the steady 95 I was doing on an unoccupied A40 at midnight on Sunday.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:03 pm
by RetroENZO
Inappropriate speed.

So it's safe to assume that letting anyone drive like a lunatic is dangerous. So is it also safe to assume that not everyone is Lewis Hamilton and can handle speeds safely?

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:16 pm
by Opa-Opa
RetroENZO wrote:Inappropriate speed.

So it's safe to assume that letting anyone drive like a lunatic is dangerous. So is it also safe to assume that not everyone is Lewis Hamilton and can handle speeds safely?
Oh yes.. As normal Dudley made the point I was trying to make but much clearer and in less words :)

I do get a bit miffed when people just start moaning (not you RetroENZO - again just in general) about how speeding is bad and all white van men are dangerous, when half the time its the idiot in front of the van that is doing wrong and the speeding laws are decades out of date...

I do hate it when you leave a gap for safety and some loon cuts into it as someone said above, that is really stupid...

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:56 pm
by MC1
Remember folks,

Only a fool breaks the two second rule!

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:04 pm
by RetroENZO
Opa-Opa wrote:
RetroENZO wrote:Inappropriate speed.

So it's safe to assume that letting anyone drive like a lunatic is dangerous. So is it also safe to assume that not everyone is Lewis Hamilton and can handle speeds safely?
Oh yes.. As normal Dudley made the point I was trying to make but much clearer and in less words :)

I do get a bit miffed when people just start moaning (not you RetroENZO - again just in general) about how speeding is bad and all white van men are dangerous, when half the time its the idiot in front of the van that is doing wrong and the speeding laws are decades out of date...

I do hate it when you leave a gap for safety and some loon cuts into it as someone said above, that is really stupid...
Okay point taken. I misinterpreted the meaning of your original post. But I only picked on them because it just happened to be a white van man that did the dirty. I hate anyone that tailgates and drives like an idiot. Usually it's the driver of another type of vehicle that earns my loathing for completely inconsiderate driving (drivers of a particular type of German car). However with company cars/vans/lorries/buses/(insert other vehicle here), you have a phone number to actually complain to.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:31 pm
by Dudley
RetroENZO wrote:Inappropriate speed.

So it's safe to assume that letting anyone drive like a lunatic is dangerous. So is it also safe to assume that not everyone is Lewis Hamilton and can handle speeds safely?
But there are several occasions when 70mph on a motorway is dangerous. So perhaps we should go down to 20mph everywhere?

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:36 pm
by MC1
As long as you can stop on your side of the road in the distance that can be seen to be clear you should be ok at any speed.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:54 pm
by Xesh
Dudley wrote:So perhaps we should go down to 20mph everywhere?
Even better. Let's all go back to using horses. :lol:

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:58 pm
by Dudley
Man in front with a flag.

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:36 pm
by Grahame
Opa-Opa wrote:Maybe if people didn't sit in the middle/over taking lanes poodling along and instead pulled into the left hand lane out the way, people at work in their van and trying to get home to see the kids for 10mins before they go to bed wouldn't be so close behind you flashing their lights and telling you all to bugger off into the right lane..?

Anyone sat in the outside lane on a motorway, divering along at 70mph deserves to get cut up from time to time.. :)
Drive like a censored and those kids they're rushing to see could see daddy in a wooden box. hadly worth it when the consequences are thought of. there's really no excuse I've heard that justifies tailgating and cutting people up, it's dangerous and selfish.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:24 am
by Dudley
True, but the person driving in any lane other than the left if they're not passing is equally as dangerous.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:01 pm
by djcarlos
MC1 wrote:Remember folks,

Only a fool breaks the two second rule!
I prefer "only a t*at gets closer than that" :lol:

Apparently the reason our motorway speed limit is 70mph is....that everyone does 80 anyway.

The DSA and the DFT reckon that if the limit is increased to 80 everyone will do 90.

Twisted logic, in my opinion. If someone wants to do 90 then they probably already do.

Oh yeah, Enzo, I agree with Duds and Opa about inappropriate speed, but...if you think the guy was driving dangerously then ring up, why not? They might get an earful, you never know. The company won't do anything unless you've got the registration though.

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:06 pm
by RetroENZO
My driving instructor said that you are allowed to add 10% to the speed limit if overtaking (and someone else said you can add another 2mph to that as well) so you can technically overtake someone LEGALLY at 79mph. Is there any truth to this?

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:12 pm
by djcarlos
RetroENZO wrote:My driving instructor said that you are allowed to add 10% to the speed limit if overtaking (and someone else said you can add another 2mph to that as well) so you can technically overtake someone LEGALLY at 79mph. Is there any truth to this?
No.

Speed cameras trigger at 10% above the limit to allow for variances in speedometers.