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Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:40 am
by Mayhem
There are some blog posts via C64Audio detailing parts of Rob's career, and yes there is a piece on his Atari 8 bit music coming up ;)

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:38 pm
by Crusty Starfish
The Laird wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:12 am
Since I started writing for RG I've been in almost every issue so there are plenty there.

I haven't written any C64 specific articles but I have written plenty of articles on companies that very much specialised in C64 software such as Tronix, HES, Gamestar, Top Ten Software, Audiogenic, Sirius Software, Imagitec Design etc.

I've also written game specific articles too such as The Making Of Panther for example and helped out people such as Chris Wilkins, Paul Drury and Andrew Fisher with Commodore related stuff.

In short, it's really not hard to find.
Ok, thanks for the reply Mr Laird. Can you point me in the direction of your 2011/12 articles... will have a good read. The later stuff I can see - I can understand why you have not written any C64 articles though, as on of the main draws to it would be the sound - and as you dislike that so much, I assume you only give a mention to the great graphical abilities?
Surely if you are a fan (or at least think Hubbard is a good musician), it won't matter what system it is being played on?

I don't want to sound like I am picking on points, but I don't get you and your aversion to SID music. :?

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:33 am
by The Laird
What I actually said was that I wasn't a huge fan, very different thing. I love all chip music, I run a chiptune page on Facebook and have also been producing the Chiptune Challenge series on You Tube for many years now. I have even played chiptune sets as a DJ at retro events. These all include SID music.

But if you were to ask me about my favourite tunes or what I like to listen to personally then I would be picking music from the AY, POKEY, YM, MIKEY and FM (for example) before the SID. I just prefer the sound of those chips over the SID. It's my personal preference and I know that plenty don't agree.

When I write an article on anything I praise what I feel needs to be praised, same as any good writer. For instance, when I wrote about Panther I made a big point of praising David Whittakers outstanding music, which I still think is his best work.

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:44 am
by Crusty Starfish
The Laird wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:33 am
What I actually said was that I wasn't a huge fan, very different thing. I love all chip music, I run a chiptune page on Facebook and have also been producing the Chiptune Challenge series on You Tube for many years now. I have even played chiptune sets as a DJ at retro events. These all include SID music.

But if you were to ask me about my favourite tunes or what I like to listen to personally then I would be picking music from the AY, POKEY, YM, MIKEY and FM (for example) before the SID. I just prefer the sound of those chips over the SID. It's my personal preference and I know that plenty don't agree.

When I write an article on anything I praise what I feel needs to be praised, same as any good writer. For instance, when I wrote about Panther I made a big point of praising David Whittakers outstanding music, which I still think is his best work.
Fair enough. So wouldn't expect a pure C64 article from you then?! What were the 2011/12 articles you wrote in RG - I've skipped through more recent ones.

The Panther music - are you referring to SID or another version?

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:41 am
by The Laird
I don't remember what articles I did in those years without checking through my own archives. I'll try to look at the weekend.

Panther for SID obviously. Although I talked about the POKEY version too in the article.

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:51 pm
by Crusty Starfish
The Laird wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:41 am
I don't remember what articles I did in those years without checking through my own archives. I'll try to look at the weekend.

Panther for SID obviously. Although I talked about the POKEY version too in the article.
Was the Atari music done by Hubbard? The SID version was done by Whittaker wasn't it?

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:26 am
by The Laird
Crusty Starfish wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:51 pm
The Laird wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:41 am
I don't remember what articles I did in those years without checking through my own archives. I'll try to look at the weekend.

Panther for SID obviously. Although I talked about the POKEY version too in the article.
Was the Atari music done by Hubbard? The SID version was done by Whittaker wasn't it?

No, both by Whittaker.

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:06 pm
by Tom_Baker
To the blue blazes with celebrating all of Rob's career...

The 8bit era was his finest hour by far.. The Pokey an SID soundtracks were simply his best work, just as i was the best Doctor, clearly..

The Sega Mega Drive work was ruddy lifeless by comparison and the Atari ST soundchip was a blue faced abomination compared to the Pokey..

K-9 could of produced better music.

Now, would Rob care for a Jelly Baby i wonder?.

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:44 pm
by Crusty Starfish
Laird, having listened to the pokey tunes on your Youtube vids (some of the tracks are actually quite good), I had a listen to your ST one.

What happened to Atari when they produced the ST? The graphics were ok (except scrolling) but the music is terrible! So, well, beepy and tinny. And as for Hubbard doing them???? REALLY?

Are you sure Hubbard would put his name to all of those? :shock:

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:04 pm
by Crusty Starfish
Actually, being such a huge Hubbard fan... and just looking at the first bit of music on that video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfjKmFfI5SA

I can't find anywhere that states Hubbard actually did the ST version! (it is bloody awful!), although he admits to Thrust :shock: He obviously couldn't make the sound chip do too much in the way of bass!

I may be wrong on Hubbard and Battleships... and I'm sure you will throw some solid proof he did!

Anyway, keep up with the vids!

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:14 am
by The Laird
Crusty Starfish wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:04 pm
Actually, being such a huge Hubbard fan... and just looking at the first bit of music on that video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfjKmFfI5SA

I can't find anywhere that states Hubbard actually did the ST version! (it is bloody awful!), although he admits to Thrust :shock: He obviously couldn't make the sound chip do too much in the way of bass!

I may be wrong on Hubbard and Battleships... and I'm sure you will throw some solid proof he did!

Anyway, keep up with the vids!
It was listed on Atari Mania as being his. It has since been discovered that it isn't and Atari Mania were asked to correct the database. I think it's discussed in the comments.

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:50 pm
by Crusty Starfish
The Laird wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:14 am
Crusty Starfish wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:04 pm
Actually, being such a huge Hubbard fan... and just looking at the first bit of music on that video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfjKmFfI5SA

I can't find anywhere that states Hubbard actually did the ST version! (it is bloody awful!), although he admits to Thrust :shock: He obviously couldn't make the sound chip do too much in the way of bass!

I may be wrong on Hubbard and Battleships... and I'm sure you will throw some solid proof he did!

Anyway, keep up with the vids!
It was listed on Atari Mania as being his. It has since been discovered that it isn't and Atari Mania were asked to correct the database. I think it's discussed in the comments.
I see. I noticed that Atarimania are still listing it as done by Mr Hubbard...maybe you should put a little star on each of the videos stating that info was collected from various other sources, so may not actually be correct? I'd say that if Johnny Unknown was throwing a youtube vid of computer music together, it wouldn't really matter if he didn't research the subject matter - but a professional journalist (like yourself) should maybe get the correct info rather than copying it from an unconfirmed source?! Not sure how many RG readers look at your Youtube channel (you should get plenty as most of the content is jolly good), but if you allow silly errors like this to get through, how many are getting into RG as factual when in fact they are just taken from some unconfirmed forum? :?

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:11 am
by The Laird
Atari Mania is considered a very reliable source though, an Atari bible if you will. There is almost never any reason to question the information there. In fact, in all the years I have been involved in the Atari scene this is the first and only time I have seen them get something wrong.

As a writer, and being involved in that community, there are literally a handful of websites that we regard as "verified sources" and Atari Mania has always been one of them. It just shows that anyone can get something wrong I guess.

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:28 am
by merman
Crusty Starfish wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:44 pm
Laird, having listened to the pokey tunes on your Youtube vids (some of the tracks are actually quite good), I had a listen to your ST one.

What happened to Atari when they produced the ST? The graphics were ok (except scrolling) but the music is terrible! So, well, beepy and tinny. And as for Hubbard doing them???? REALLY?

Are you sure Hubbard would put his name to all of those? :shock:
Atari were considering a dedicated sound chip, known as Amy. However in the rush to get to market before Amiga and reduce costs, the Yamaha chip was chosen instead. It's based on the AY chip found in the Spectrum 128. There's some interesting discussion on the ST's sound in a forthcoming article actually...

Re: Project Hubbard (Rob Hubbard Kickstarter) is live!

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:29 pm
by Crusty Starfish
merman wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:28 am
Crusty Starfish wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:44 pm
Laird, having listened to the pokey tunes on your Youtube vids (some of the tracks are actually quite good), I had a listen to your ST one.

What happened to Atari when they produced the ST? The graphics were ok (except scrolling) but the music is terrible! So, well, beepy and tinny. And as for Hubbard doing them???? REALLY?

Are you sure Hubbard would put his name to all of those? :shock:
Atari were considering a dedicated sound chip, known as Amy. However in the rush to get to market before Amiga and reduce costs, the Yamaha chip was chosen instead. It's based on the AY chip found in the Spectrum 128. There's some interesting discussion on the ST's sound in a forthcoming article actually...
Great! Would love to hear something about that as it seems such a bad choice by Atari.