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Forum AUP - what is/is not allowed

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:39 am
by markopoloman
Ok rather than threads being locked without pinpointing what can and cannot be said, would it be possible for AUP breaking posts to be highlighted?

The discussions within the two terror attack threads and the 2017 Election thread may have been close to the margin, but with simple warnings to anyone that was name calling or breaking the AUP would have been good enough (and has worked very well over the past years). Just because someone reports a thread, it doesn't need shutting down.
Discussing the horrors of what is going on is an important part of life and has been a very active part of this forum since its inception and only on occasion and after many warnings have they been locked.
Name calling should not be happening, I agree - so people doing it should be warned. If the problem is discussing the terror events and naming particular groups, then I am simply lost for words.

What, in the list below has been deemed to have been breaking the rules? I'm not doing this to be a pain in the backside, but I think it important to know exactly what we can and cannot say within an off topic area by a group of adults discussing a variety of serious AND fun topics?



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Re: Forum AUP - what is/is not allowed

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:49 am
by markopoloman
Ah! Spector has been banned. Completely unreasonable to do so. The post was obviously tongue in cheek - a warning would have been simple enough and an edit of deletion of the post. Again, pandering to people overreacting to something. I seem to be turning into the Anti-moderator after so many years being the person policing the place!
The route being taken is the wrong way to go about things and will, in my opinion bring an end to what has been a vibrant and active forum. Please please please think before bans and locking topics - there was a rule set by Darran and can be found in the Mods section of the forum regarding warnings etc.
I know you all have new bosses - have they really laid down this cast iron law on the forum? :?

Re: Forum AUP - what is/is not allowed

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:35 am
by Sephiroth81
What?? Why was Spector banned?

I really hope common sense prevails. When many forums are infested with some of the worst forms of mentally unhinged trolling and bullying, this forum has almost uniquely avoided it (at least in the past few years). The ban-hammer approach seems harsh, and in the case of Spector, most of us here know him reasonably, and know that he can be a bit flippant (like a class clown as many of us are!), but means well and is a perfectly decent bloke who also has supported the IRC chat for a while as well.

On the AUP - I've been reported and subsequently warned on recent occasions when it comes to (no surprises I guess) point j) "Promotes illegal drugs.". Discussing drugs, even in a mildly supportive way is hardly promoting it, and while cannabis may be illegal in the UK, its not everywhere, just as alcohol is illegal in some countries but not in the UK. What jurisdiction is this forum actually aligned to?!? (given its online, and the magazine/company is based in the UK, but its readership is global).

Should I be changing my avatar, as its a cartoon depicting the use of cannabis?! Should we never discuss the political issues surrounding drugs, the pros/cons of legalisation etc?

It appears a few of us regulars (forum and mag subscribers) are genuinely concerned about the direction of this forum. I appreciate moderation is required, but I can see people getting banned for the most trivial of offences, including decent contributors. I hope all our comments are acknowledged, as none of us want this forum to go into decline.

Re: Forum AUP - what is/is not allowed

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:52 am
by NickThorpe
Spector was contacted about his one-week ban - the post in the IRC thread was tongue in cheek but it definitely crossed lines that made people uncomfortable. Two moderators looked at it and agreed on that course of action.

As regards everything else, I'm unable to discuss it with Darran at present but will do so at the first opportunity. Until then, calm down - it's been a couple of months under the new mod team and we've been relatively hands-off. It's only within the last couple of weeks that I've needed to intervene, and largely over topics discussing extraordinary and rare events. This isn't what I expect business as usual to look like.

Re: Forum AUP - what is/is not allowed

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:59 am
by markopoloman
His tongue in cheek post needed moderating and maybe a PM to suggest a not so naughty post be made - banning, even for a week is completely over the top and unnecessary.

Re: Forum AUP - what is/is not allowed

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:46 am
by HalcyonDaze00
who is spector and what have they done?

not really a name I recall seeing much to be honest, perhaps they don't post in topics I do or are so anodyne they barely register, either way I haven't seen anything from anybody that would result in a ban.

Re: Forum AUP - what is/is not allowed

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:58 pm
by paranoid marvin
I don't know what caused the ban, but for a suspension it should mean either a post that is way outside what is acceptable or someone who has ignored a polite request by the mods to reign it in.

It's good that two mods have got together before making such a decision, as suspension really should be a last resort; and its good that Nick has posted to explain some of the reasoning behind it. But I hope for the good of the forum this is an exception rather than the rule.

Re: Forum AUP - what is/is not allowed

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:57 am
by Antiriad2097
A post of extreme views that was clearly in jest results in a ban. That isn't moderation imo.

Re: Forum AUP - what is/is not allowed

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:36 am
by Darran@Retro Gamer
I'm mighty tired of people using 'jest' , 'only kidding', 'freedom of speech' and other phrases to justify breaking the forum rules.
We're all adults here and as adults you can read our rules and you'll be expected to abide by them. You shouldn't need multiple reminders that what you're writing is in violation of our rules.
If you want to have no-hold bars political discussions or say things that are offensive to others then there are plenty of suitable substitutes for that. This forum isn't one of them.
We're tired of seeing the same old rubbish being trotted out and we'll be making bans permanent if they continue.