Sephiroth81 wrote:he was expressing the way he felt about the police and the media... he was expressing the way he felt about the police and the media... this man was expressing his freedom of speech,
Negative free speech, making generalisations about people they don't know, wouldn't that be hate speech? Or is negative free speech only hate speech when you do it about a minority? If he's so into free speech he shouldn't have a problem with other people telling him him and his religion is full of crap. But he would probably say he was offended and call that hate speech.
Sephiroth81 wrote:we don't know fully how nasty he actually was towards a woman. Innocent until proven guilty.
Well ok then, fair enough, he hasn't been proved guilty, and if he was only a little bit nasty that's ok. We should actually have more Muslim preachers on our streets passing mild judgement on infidels they don't know. I'm sure what really happened was she objected to him he complementing the curve of her sexy hips beautifully show off by her tight jeans. I'm sure Islam's strict code of conduct and dress for women had nothing to do with it.
Sephiroth81 wrote:Tens of thousands of brits (muslim or not) have "screamed" at police - that doesn't make them inherently evil or "non-peaceful". The guy may have been emotional, its far too quick to judge a man and his life based on a stupid incident, but you carry on condemning people and enforcing your stereotypes.
Your standards of "non-peaceful" is basically too high (and unrealistic about humans in general), just so you can create an argument against muslims.
The muslims are the ones claiming their religion is a religion of peace, not me. Did his 'peaceful' actions (him being an Islamic preacher) calm the situation or inflame it?
As I've said many times my argument is against Islam, not muslims.
Sephiroth81 wrote:The language you have used is an example of your bias. I'm under no illusion that all muslims that don't wear suicide vests are not all perfect, but this applies to every single group you can mention. I could find many of the comments on this forum by many posters to be "non-peaceful". Lets stop getting pedantic though just for the sake of an argument as we can easily apply the same rules to every "group".
I know other groups can be bad too, but we're talking here about Islam, and how it influences Muslims. Non-muslims have demonstrated poor attitudes towards women for example, so why then you ask should we consider and criticise Islam if a Muslim does it? Because it's in the religion. Islam is full of disagreeable statements about women, condoning domestic violence for example. So if muslims are harrassing women in the street over their dress, or sexually assulting them, it's only natural to look at Islam as a potential cultural factor. This is not the same as saying all Muslims are anti-woman, it is saying Islam might very well be influencing those that are.
