Negative Creep wrote:Ultimately how ISIS came to be is irrelevant now, the only question is how we deal with them. All these pictures and memes floating around about fighting hatred are all well and good, but this isn't a group like the IRA or ETA who can be negotiated with because the have a limited political aim. This is a group that massacres entire villages, systematically rapes young girls, publicly beheads aid workers, throws homosexuals off buildings, burns prisoners alive (something even Al Qaeda condemned) and whose only goal is worldwide domination. A group whose members have no fear of death and no concept of the Geneva Convention or rules of engagement. We may have differing views but we can be sure they despise us both equally because we don't conform to their ultra strict version of Islam.
So how do we negotiate with a group like this? Simple answer is that you can't. We have to cut their sources of funding but also break their military strength, and air power alone can't do this. Whatever the solution, it's going to involve a lot of bloodshed and collateral damage.
Definitely agree with this. A sensible and down to earth appraisal of the situation. I think there is no simple solution to this but whatever they do It's gonna hurt everyone involved one way or another. Like Negative Creep says the origin of ISIS is irrelevant now. Fact is both ISIS and portions of the western world are now fighting each other and if it goes on for much longer then the question of who started it will be irrelevant too, it will just be a war. Personally it is my belief that it's going to get worse before it gets any better.
So, what do we have now? Let's say that this forum represents a cross section of public opinion. What options are we presented with in terms of what should we do?
1.The sit back and let nature take its course option. We should not let violence begat violence, pose no restrictions on anything and carry on as we are hoping that the issue will work itself out. Possibly throw a solution in the mix such as let's all denounce religion and be friends.
2. We hit them back hard. Live by the sword die by the sword. Break their military power, bomb them into submission, send in troops, kill their leaders at home and abroad and their foot soldiers foreign and domestic. Place restrictions, close borders, gather data. At the risk of losing innocent lives on all sides but ultimately driving ISIS back to the dark ages for the next few years. Yes, it wont eradicate them and yes, they will return, but when they do we hit them again.
Now before I'm verbally raped I know there is far more detail on both options there, or maybe a middle ground between the two, or maybe more options entirely and, yes, I am playing armchair politics here, but I just wanted to get the debate back on mission. What do we think?
For me personally It's option 2 all day.
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