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Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:22 am
by markopoloman
With only 10 days to go, lets see how close we can get to the real outcome (not very I'd imagine as most of us aren't in Scotland).

I think it will be interesting to see where the English/Welsh/N.Irish stand on this and also those that are not part of the current Union.

If poss, have a good think about the breakup of the Union and if that is a good or bad thing rather than just hitting YES/NO/No Opinion.

Hopefully there will be some good discussion and debate over the next 10 days.... Oh, and be nice :)

The Poll will run for 9 days.......

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:04 pm
by clarance
If I was Scottish I would probably vote 'yes' - it's a very attractive proposition to try and mold an independant Scotland towards the scandinavian socialist model and to distance themselves from the seemingly London-centric policical agenda that the rest of us have to suffer from.

However if I, as an Englishman, had the vote I would certianly vote 'no' - to lose Scotland and it's left wing block of votes come the General election will be a minor disaster from a socialist point of view - and it will mean the southern right-wing power bloc will be even more prevelent and forced upon what's left of the Union.

So for this vote, as an English/British socialist, I vote NO.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:35 pm
by Antiriad2097
Yes, I'll dance.

But no to independence.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:38 pm
by ulrich7ad
I voted no because I believe the Union still has legs but it needs major changes, not least an English parliament/assembly. Either way Scotland wins with proposed max devo in the case a no vote.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:48 pm
by The Laird
I am half Scottish and lived for a while too. If I still lived there I would be voting yes, Scotland is a very different country to England and so it just makes sense. The Scottish people should be able to decide what is best for them, not a bunch of mostly English people in London.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:25 pm
by Dave300
I heard an interesting comment in the news recently about some Scottish people voting Yes not necessarily because they wanted Scotland to become independent, but instead just to get away from corrupt/lazy/greedy politicians in Westminster. It's a shame England can't do that as well!

Personally, I think we're better together. Too much paperwork otherwise.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:13 pm
by Antiriad2097
Because the corrupt/greedy Scottish politicians are better because they work at it? I guess that's one thing you can honestly say about Salmond, he puts a fair bit of effort into staying in the limelight, whatever the cost. As long as he's alright, Jack.

Now we'll have more of them doing deals, sly backhanders between England and Scotland (as if there's not enough of that already). It just opens up new opportunities for these gits.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:28 pm
by rocky1980
just to get away from corrupt/lazy/greedy politicians in Westminster.
as a Scot I know people that are voting Yes for this reason.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:36 pm
by rossi46
Antiriad2097 wrote:Because the corrupt/greedy Scottish politicians are better because they work at it? I guess that's one thing you can honestly say about Salmond, he puts a fair bit of effort into staying in the limelight, whatever the cost. As long as he's alright, Jack.

Now we'll have more of them doing deals, sly backhanders between England and Scotland (as if there's not enough of that already). It just opens up new opportunities for these gits.
The 'backhanders' will and do happen at all levels, from councillors to cabinet.

That's no basis on which to decide who to vote for. What's best for your country is.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:39 pm
by Nemesis
My vote would be a definite no. I'm proud to be British. I'm British 1st and English 2nd. We're all on one Island (apart from N.Ireland) and like the fact you can go to all four corners of the UK and experience different views and cultures without needing a passport.

I think Salmond has been using a very anti English rhetoric with his constant repetition of Westminster, Tories, Tory, Tory, Tories. You didn't vote for the Tories you say, well guess what, I didn't get the government I voted for either for the past 4 general elections. Welcome to democracy. Funnily enough, with a sizeable Labour support north of the border which has helped successive Labour governments to power, you'd think Scotland does have a say in UK politics. However, Mr Salmond seems to forget this fact but instead likes to focus people's attention on the evil English Tories.

Not to mention a fair number of Scottish MP's helping make decisions for the whole of the UK within Westminster itself. As for the currency debacle where do you start. Yes, Mr Salmond you want Scotland to be truly independent country and don't want to be governed by Westminster but you're quite happy to adopt a would be foreign currency (£) and be dictated to by the Bank of England instead. How to be a dependent independent? Just ask the SNP.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:45 pm
by sscott
I feel there will be little immediate change for England whatever happens. Labour will lose a lot of seats though, do the cons really want to keep Scotland therefore? :shock:

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:50 pm
by Nemesis
sscott wrote:I feel there will be little immediate change for England whatever happens. Labour will lose a lot of seats though, do the cons really want to keep Scotland therefore? :shock:
Personally, I think it would be good to have as many Labour voters to keep the balance of power even. If the UK is viewed by the Scots as pro Tory now, it definitely will be if the yes vote succeeds,

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:06 pm
by Megamixer
"No" from me.

The way the world seems to be getting worse, I think it's more important to stick together and stay stronger. Splitting the UK up just seems like a bad idea to me.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:24 pm
by Antiriad2097
rossi46 wrote:
Antiriad2097 wrote:Because the corrupt/greedy Scottish politicians are better because they work at it? I guess that's one thing you can honestly say about Salmond, he puts a fair bit of effort into staying in the limelight, whatever the cost. As long as he's alright, Jack.

Now we'll have more of them doing deals, sly backhanders between England and Scotland (as if there's not enough of that already). It just opens up new opportunities for these gits.
The 'backhanders' will and do happen at all levels, from councillors to cabinet.

That's no basis on which to decide who to vote for. What's best for your country is.
I'm not disputing it happens, just pointing out that creating more politicians creates more of all the guff that gets in the way of the important stuff. We really don't need yet another layer of this in the country.

Re: Scotland independance - YES or NO - VOTE

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:50 pm
by r0jaws
I am really torn about which way to go. I lived in Scotland for a number of years, and loved it up there. However, I've lived in pretty much all four corners of the country at one time or another and I'd hate to see it split up.
If I lived there now, with my family, I genuinely would struggle to choose. I do think that Scotland is quite capable of being an independent nation, it pretty much is now anyway. I also think there is potential, if they were allowed to do their own thing.
However, the union provides so much support, and recent events with the banking collapse prove that broad shoulders count for a lot. Smaller, separate nations are more vulnerable. Giving that up for a Nationalist ideal, to me, is just not enough reason.
I think that on the day, if I was thinking of my kids future's which I would be doing, I'd have to vote No. There's just too much at stake, and the Oil will run out, eventually.