Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

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Independant Scotland?

Poll ended at Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:22 pm

YES!
14
23%
NO!
37
62%
No Opinion
9
15%
 
Total votes: 60

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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by Nemesis » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:10 am

I'm not sure about the wisdom in letting 16 year olds vote. I wasn't politically minded when I was 18 let alone 16. You just ended up supporting the party your parents did, just like a football team.

Listening to 5 live yesterday afternoon and they had an SNP rep drumming up support for the yes vote. He was talking about how Scotland had little to no influence in who gains power in Westminster and the Scottish electorate only made a difference in the 1964 and 1974 general elections. Richard Bacon then said, ah yes, but if you take the previous GE, the main reason we have a coalition govt is because of the Scots vote. Take them out of the equation and the rUK would've left with a majority right wing conservative govt. upon which the SNP man blustered and blithered on a bit but in the end just kept repeating the fact that the Scots don't influence the uk vote. Completely forgetting all the Labour majorities that Scotland has contributed to.
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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by Timothy Lumsden » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:36 am

I mostly hear lies, half truths and wishful thinking by both sides - so basically it's politics as usual really.

technical question: what will the status of Scot currently living in the rest of the UK be? Since they can't vote, which state would they be citizens of?

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Post by SirClive » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:46 am

clarance wrote:If I was Scottish I would probably vote 'yes' - it's a very attractive proposition to try and mold an independant Scotland towards the scandinavian socialist model and to distance themselves from the seemingly London-centric policical agenda that the rest of us have to suffer from.

However if I, as an Englishman, had the vote I would certianly vote 'no' - to lose Scotland and it's left wing block of votes come the General election will be a minor disaster from a socialist point of view - and it will mean the southern right-wing power bloc will be even more prevelent and forced upon what's left of the Union.

So for this vote, as an English/British socialist, I vote NO.
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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by Matt_B » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:20 pm

Timothy Lumsden wrote:I mostly hear lies, half truths and wishful thinking by both sides - so basically it's politics as usual really.

technical question: what will the status of Scot currently living in the rest of the UK be? Since they can't vote, which state would they be citizens of?
It'll be up for negotiation, but the SNP are proposing that anyone resident in Scotland would be automatic and anyone else could apply on the basis of their birth or ancestry. Interestingly, all three of David Cameron, Gordon Brown and Tony Blair could be Scottish citizens under those rules.

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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by Timothy Lumsden » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:35 pm

Please take Cameron, Blair and Brown!! :lol:

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Post by rossi46 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:08 pm

Gordon Brown is 100% Scottish. For good or bad.
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Post by Antiriad2097 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:11 pm

I see Tommy Sheridan has come out to help the No campaign.
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Post by r0jaws » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:29 pm

Antiriad2097 wrote:I see Tommy Sheridan has come out to help the No campaign.
Yes, he's quite the boon. :lol:

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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by crusto » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:00 pm

stvd wrote:
crusto wrote:I wander what Andy Murrays thoughts are? Yes, the Andy Murray who openly supported Argentina against England a few years back. :lol:
That's totally irrelevant.
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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by stvd » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:44 pm

crusto wrote:
stvd wrote:
crusto wrote:I wander what Andy Murrays thoughts are? Yes, the Andy Murray who openly supported Argentina against England a few years back. :lol:
That's totally irrelevant.
Of course it is.
He's a No, you can have him. 8)
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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by Nemesis » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:49 pm

Timothy Lumsden wrote:I mostly hear lies, half truths and wishful thinking by both sides - so basically it's politics as usual really.

technical question: what will the status of Scot currently living in the rest of the UK be? Since they can't vote, which state would they be citizens of?
To my knowledge, they would be citizens of rUK.
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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by sscott » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:14 pm

I therefore vote for English independence from the Uk, surely that is technically possible if it's a union.
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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by ivarf » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:46 pm

koopa42 wrote: Currently I see England vs. Scotland rivalry (in all things) up there with the Spectrum vs. Comode (the Comode clearly being the Scottish side of the analogy) and enjoy it nearly as much however if they vote yes? It will be more like a Spectrum vs. Amstrad rivalry and about as useless seeing as there IS no rivalry and the Amstrad is just like a tin of peas.
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Dave300 wrote:I heard an interesting comment in the news recently about some Scottish people voting Yes not necessarily because they wanted Scotland to become independent, but instead just to get away from corrupt/lazy/greedy politicians in Westminster. It's a shame England can't do that as well!

Personally, I think we're better together. Too much paperwork otherwise.
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Re: Scotland independence - YES or NO - VOTE

Post by RetroBob » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:05 pm

Hereditary peerages were scrapped ages ago.
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Post by rossi46 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:10 pm

ivarf wrote: Let Scotland again be a free country, free from the UK union. Just like Norway got rid of the Swedish and Danish union in 1814/1905. I can't see why Scotland like most European countries will not be able to take care of its own economics and foreign policy. Free Scotland now. Let the tin of peas have their own life. Scotland had at the beginning the royal of the union, thats how it started with the Scandinavian union too. Who is the economic little brother of Scandinavia now? Not Norway. Scotland can take care of themselves too if they want to. The british imperialism fortunately ended, now its time for Scotland to go their own way if THEY want to
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