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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by koopa42 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:11 am

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koopa42 wrote:Today I had my first 'Nelson Mandela? Who is he then?' :( bad times.
I was talking about him to someone in work the other day, and I was stuck for what to say when she asked me: "So who was the first black man?" :shock:
I'm waiting for someone to think it's Morgan Freeman, seriously.

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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by Hiro » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:12 am

Rest in peace Madiba. And thank you.
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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by joefish » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:23 am

koopa42 wrote:
TwoHeadedBoy wrote:
koopa42 wrote:Today I had my first 'Nelson Mandela? Who is he then?' :( bad times.
I was talking about him to someone in work the other day, and I was stuck for what to say when she asked me: "So who was the first black man?" :shock:
I'm waiting for someone to think it's Morgan Freeman, seriously.
I think I would have replied 'Jesus', even before consciously acknowledging it was a question. :lol:

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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by koopa42 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:25 am

Jesus was a gay hispanic transgender super hero ..... oh wait, no, that's Spiderman

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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by junkmale » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:29 pm

Can't celebrate the death of any human being but the man was a terrorist and as the leader of the ANC was directly responsible for the deaths of innocents.
Unfortunately all that will now be conveniently airbrushed out of history.
Some peace and closure at last for the victims of the vile campaign of the ANC.

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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by TwoHeadedBoy » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:35 pm

joefish wrote:
TwoHeadedBoy wrote:I was talking about him to someone in work the other day, and I was stuck for what to say when she asked me: "So who was the first black man?" :shock:
I think I would have replied 'Jesus', even before consciously acknowledging it was a question. :lol:
Well today, she saw his picture on all the papers and asked me:

"Is Uncle Ben dead?"


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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by Sel Feena » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:01 pm

junkmale wrote:Can't celebrate the death of any human being but the man was a terrorist and as the leader of the ANC was directly responsible for the deaths of innocents.
Unfortunately all that will now be conveniently airbrushed out of history.
Some peace and closure at last for the victims of the vile campaign of the ANC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itRMx8fBwTo
Didn't Amnesty International turn their back on him after he took to violent action? It does seem that now we are all going to get a sugar-coated version of his story, which is doing him a disservice I think.
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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by merman » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:01 am

The media overkill is getting to me now. He was a great man but there are more important stories out there. Like the flooding or the thousands forced to visit food banks in this country.
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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by Hiro » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:15 am

Oh yes, because the South-African segregation regime and the apartheid were pretty and all, and they should have been fought using nice words. Right.
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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by Mayhem » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:38 am

Sel Feena wrote:Didn't Amnesty International turn their back on him after he took to violent action? It does seem that now we are all going to get a sugar-coated version of his story, which is doing him a disservice I think.
Which is oddly enough what my brother said... that all you hear on the media is what happened after he got out of jail, and nothing about what landed him in there in the first place...
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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by Sel Feena » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:56 am

^ It would be ridiculous and unhelpful to caricature Hitler as a pantomime villain twirling his moustache; it's far more chilling and informative to look at him as a person who had a hand in committing horrible, horrible things. I think the same is true of Nelson Mandela, although the other way round, obviously. Trying to portray him as a completely flawless saint beyond reproach makes his achievements appear far less extraordinary IMHO.

That's all I'm getting at. Let's remember Mandela warts and all, as a human being who achieved great things but also faltered.
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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by Matt_B » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:28 pm

I'd think that it only makes what Mandela did when he finally got out of jail all the more remarkable when you consider some of the things that he said and did to get locked up in the first place. There's definitely no need to sugar coat it.

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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by junkmale » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:51 pm

Hiro wrote:Oh yes, because the South-African segregation regime and the apartheid were pretty and all, and they should have been fought using nice words. Right.

With all due respect you are very very wrong.
Calling Mandela out for what he was is not in any way, shape or form showing support for the Apartheid system.
It was cruel and unjust.
However bad it was nothing justifies planting a bomb in a shopping centre designed to kill and maim innocent civilians.
As leader of the ANC Mandela approved off and sanctioned actions such as this. The media and the world seem to have forgotten this.
Gandhi (e.g.) gained freedom and massive reform for his people with 'nice words'.
Violence is never the answer no matter how justified the cause.
Mandela was not a great man. He was a brutal terrorist.

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Re: RIP Nelson mandela

Post by Negative Creep » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:10 am

I know I shouldn't find this funny but.....

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