Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

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Re: shooter shoots 27 people in elmentary school in the u

Post by killbot » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:35 pm

The Angry Jock wrote:it's really you who seems to have wild ideas planted in their mind about us rabid capitalist pigdogs.
I know I said we'd leave it there but... equally, you seem to have the idea that we're all communists who want to spend money like water. Do you see what I was getting at about divide-and-rule now? Set us at each others throats and the politicians, bankers and others who are directly responsible for the dire state of the country's finances can quietly slip out the back door unnoticed while we're arguing about who's more hard-done-to.
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Re: shooter shoots 27 people in elmentary school in the u

Post by The Angry Jock » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:41 pm

killbot wrote:Okay, it's quite obvious that you're not going to budge on your view that anyone who works in the public sector is some wannabe Che Guevara who wants to steal your money and probably spend it on sandals, joss sticks and Guardian subscriptions. So I'd suggest that we call it a night there while things are still at a reasonably friendly tone.
You done a fine job of not disproving anything I've said, and calling the working man a cash driven scum bag who'd pull the teeth out their babies head for the next fix of the tooth fairy goes someway to showing how wrong you are about Joe Public.

And do me the courtesy of not being patronising about tone when I've done nothing to warrant it.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

Post by r0jaws » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:42 pm

I disagree, knives and guns can't be equally as effective at killing if guns do it faster. Firearms are better at killing, as that is what they are primarily designed to do, knives are tools, primarily. They can be used as a lethal weapon, but so can a brick. I wouldn't fancy taking anyone on with just a brick or a knife, especially if they had a gun.
No private citizen in peacetime needs a gun, but you could need a knife for many purposes other than to kill.

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Re: shooter shoots 27 people in elmentary school in the u

Post by The Angry Jock » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:43 pm

killbot wrote:
The Angry Jock wrote:it's really you who seems to have wild ideas planted in their mind about us rabid capitalist pigdogs.
I know I said we'd leave it there but... equally, you seem to have the idea that we're all communists who want to spend money like water. Do you see what I was getting at about divide-and-rule now? Set us at each others throats and the politicians, bankers and others who are directly responsible for the dire state of the country's finances can quietly slip out the back door unnoticed while we're arguing about who's more hard-done-to.
I never once said communists, I said faux-socialists.

And how has Cameron instigated this exactly?

We're ALL responsible for the countries finances, nearly everyone has had their finger in the pie.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

Post by The Angry Jock » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:44 pm

r0jaws wrote:I disagree, knives and guns can't be equally as effective at killing if guns do it faster. Firearms are better at killing, as that is what they are primarily designed to do, knives are tools, primarily. They can be used as a lethal weapon, but so can a brick. I wouldn't fancy taking anyone on with just a brick or a knife, especially if they had a gun.
No private citizen in peacetime needs a gun, but you could need a knife for many purposes other than to kill.
You not seen that Simpsons episode where Homer uses his gun as a TV remote...
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

Post by sscott » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:47 pm

This feels like a below par sixth form debating party. I will post my narrow focused opinion, not acknowledge your opinion. And so forth. Phew, thank god as a public sector worker I can enjoy 17 days off. :D :D :D
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Re: shooter shoots 27 people in elmentary school in the u

Post by r0jaws » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:54 pm

The Angry Jock wrote:Maybe if the opponents in the next war were armed with nothing more than a blunt crayon.
Back in the old days the prerequisite of a British campaign was that the enemy should, under no circumstances, carry guns -- even spears made us think twice. The kind of people we liked to fight were two feet tall and armed with dry grass.

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Re: shooter shoots 27 people in elmentary school in the u

Post by markopoloman » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:06 pm

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markopoloman wrote:Pretty much all of us on this forum play violent games. Has playing this type of game had any ill effect on anyone here?

Using games as an excuse is just that - an excuse. The problem lies with the individual with a mental problem being able to gain access to automatic weapons or whatever. In a world full of human rights and PC, the psycho's are just integrated back into society and it is hoped that they stay calm and out of trouble. This just doesn't work.

I've got kids (lots) and it really pishes me off that the school they attend is one of the best in the area - so everyone tries to get their kids in. It's a Church School. At the very top of the intake (above Church going children) are the statemented children. These are generally children with learning difficulties - and my kids school has the highest amount of statemented children in Dorset. These kids are disruptive in the class but have to be included.
My 15yr old daughter was taking a mock exam yesterday but was put off by one of these kids sitting next to her masturbating under the table. It;s not just a one off - some try to climb the drain pipes and run around the roof ffs. They should be in special schools for children with learning difficulties. Then, after full time education, they should be looked after properly.

I want my kids to be safe - I don't believe they are with the current system.
So by that rule my 9 year old , quiet well loved dyspraxic boy should be forgotten about and removed from mainstream education for having learning difficulties. Nothing would be gained but isolation and estranging them from friends possibly leading to social issues. Learning difficulties spans a wide range - Dyslexia included.

Add to this that some behavioural issues could actually be terrible parenting - ADHD is oft diagnosed when actually spending time and affection on a child works wonders.
You have a very fair and valid point. That wide range of difficulties is the problem I have. Some of the children attending my kids school are disruptive, so disruptive that the education of the other kids in the class is affected in a big way. There are a large number of statemented kids that should not be accepted into a mainstream classroom - but on the other side of the coin there are a large amount of statemented kids that should be included in mainstream classes. What I am trying to say is the kids that cause disruption and cannot be controlled should not be there. My sister has an autistic son - he cannot attend a mainstream school due to his autism. My sister knows and accepts this - and he attends a fantastic school that can look after and teach him in a controlled environment. He is very happy there.
I don't want to sound like I am targeting all with learning difficulties - I am most definitely not, as I agree a huge number with difficulties should be in mainstream classes with extra help from teaching assistants and specialist teachers.
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