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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by koopa42 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:58 am

Gotta wade in here, in my experience Jobcentres are full of scutters, you'd think I was on about the unemployed but I'm actually on about the workers. I have never met one who wasn't a complete cnut.

I have signed on quite a lot over the years in bits and bobs and here are the highlights:

Drunken bum stinking of vodka, stumbles in, looks menacing, staff sh1t themselves and just sign him on, security pretend to be looking the other way. I sit down at the same kiosk and am asked what I have been doing looking for work (with attitude) I produce a couple of rejection letters and still get attitude, I then ask why they didn't ask the previous bloke any of this, security grow some balls and come over as there is now two of them and ask what my problem is? Scum.

When I was made redundant, I had to sign on but my wife works so they made it 1 billion times harder to actually get set up, they also add that it would probably be better that my wife gives up her job (which she has had for 15 years) and look for one with more hours? I point out that this can't possibly be right? They get the arse and censored me off. After researching it? They weren't right. Scum

Fake none English speakers. Foreigner speaks perfect English easily within earshot of the signing on counter, loud on their mobile phone and surrounded by friends, gets to the counters and magically can't speak a word, gets signed on and out the door in seconds. They start speaking English as they leave the desk (laughing all the way) again? the scum do nothing but hassle the people actually looking for work.

Whenever I have ever been signing on? There are usually 10000000 staff in the area doing fcuk all or just wandering from desk to desk chatting yet the wait for customers? always hours.

The fob off, I think of the (probably very little if ANY) training these scum get? 90% is about telling you what you want to hear to get you out of the door, I have lost count of the times I have had a 'yes, blah blah blah it's sorted' only to find in actual fact nothing has been sorted at all and when you ask the next time? No record of anything, this includes even when I have taken my own notes and taken down names.

Sales jobs? yeah, doesn't matter what experience you've got ...... it's for you yeah? No.

I cannot comment on anyone on here who might work for the DWPricks but until I see different? I won't change my opinion that they are the worst people on the planet. Hate is a strong word but I have hated most if not all of the ones I have dealt with. Jumped up little Hitlers? a few, but mostly incompetent mardy scutters.

I do not envy them working with some of the people they have to work with but they get paid to do it so I really don't care.

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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by DPrinny » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:23 am

The "we will not sign you on if you are in pyjamas" sign that was in my local a few months back was funny

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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by oldtimer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:24 pm

The first time i signed on it was a total nightmare,, place was full of scumbags and crackheads scamming money, the second time i signed on , i actually requested to go to another job centre in a small town quite near,WHAT A DIFFERENCE, both the staff and the unemployed were totally different, so it shows that it can differ from area to area.
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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by Megamixer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:19 pm

I was signed on for about 18 months 3 years back and in fairness, most of the staff at the Tamworth branch were alright. There was definitely the sense that they agreed the mandatory courses were utter bilge but couldn't actually say so. The worst part was easily the other 'customers' such as the idiots outside messing about with fallen tree branches or the censored using a JCP phone for a private call then getting all shouty when asked to leave.

So yeah, the staff not so bad but the experience in general was horrible. Hated having to keep providing evidence when there was nothing to apply for and hated the hit and miss signing bit; either somebody really scrutinised your evidence or they just signed it and let you go within seconds - each week was random luck.

The worst part was the mandatory course provider (Juniper Training) which was just vile. Every day was either:

- learning how to do a bloody CV.

- Sitting at computers for 5-6 hours a day doing a job search which really took an hour tops. All the sites had the same vacancies and everything was so specialist/experience-related. There were whole weeks where we did this every day.

- Not enough computers, not enough chairs - complete sh1tty organisation all-round.

- Going into the same town with CV's every other day...waste of time much?

- Making posters in groups/teams like we back in primary school.
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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by DPrinny » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:26 pm

^Sounds like A4E

Try going on an employability course twice in one year

In the bit "What have you learned on this course?" I was stuck for any kind of answer

Interview techniques, having to learn certain things to say in an interview (I improvised in a mock one and did better than every one else) and the universal question "Why haven't you managed to get a job yet?"

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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by DoraemonTheCat » Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:27 am

Megamixer wrote:I was signed on for about 18 months 3 years back and in fairness, most of the staff at the Tamworth branch were alright. There was definitely the sense that they agreed the mandatory courses were utter bilge but couldn't actually say so. The worst part was easily the other 'customers' such as the idiots outside messing about with fallen tree branches or the censored using a JCP phone for a private call then getting all shouty when asked to leave.

So yeah, the staff not so bad but the experience in general was horrible. Hated having to keep providing evidence when there was nothing to apply for and hated the hit and miss signing bit; either somebody really scrutinised your evidence or they just signed it and let you go within seconds - each week was random luck.

The worst part was the mandatory course provider (Juniper Training) which was just vile. Every day was either:

- learning how to do a bloody CV.

- Sitting at computers for 5-6 hours a day doing a job search which really took an hour tops. All the sites had the same vacancies and everything was so specialist/experience-related. There were whole weeks where we did this every day.

- Not enough computers, not enough chairs - complete sh1tty organisation all-round.

- Going into the same town with CV's every other day...waste of time much?

- Making posters in groups/teams like we back in primary school.

I'm actually starting to believe that these "mandatory job courses" are as bad as they are for a very good reason - so in future, the prospect of having to go on them will scare you into getting ANY job, as it sounds like cleaning toilets would be more fun!!!!

I did have to go on one, can't remember the name, but the person who ran it was thick as pig-s**t. When I expressed an interest in a position, she stated she would get all the info sent too me (which didn't happen) - when I complained on my next attendance, she said she would get back on it - a week later she sent me an email, with NOTHING in it. It was immediate "facepalm"

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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by DPrinny » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:40 am

^You have to sign off on some of them. So that means you are classed as "Employed"

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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by Megamixer » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:43 pm

DPrinny wrote:^Sounds like A4E
It also got closed down shortly after I escaped for being crap and got replaced by a new one called JHP.
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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by DPrinny » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:26 pm

Megamixer wrote:
DPrinny wrote:^Sounds like A4E
It also got closed down shortly after I escaped for being crap and got replaced by a new one called JHP.
Going by the NVQ I got off them over ten years ago I can confirm they are not new.

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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by Megamixer » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:25 pm

DPrinny wrote:
Megamixer wrote:
DPrinny wrote:^Sounds like A4E
It also got closed down shortly after I escaped for being crap and got replaced by a new one called JHP.
Going by the NVQ I got off them over ten years ago I can confirm they are not new.
I meant 'new' as in new to the town/building where the old place was. Wouldn't be surprised if JHP was a load of crap too.

I remember seeing a program on TV about that A4E place and how bad it was.
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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by DPrinny » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:27 pm

Work with them, gain loads of qualifications you may never need

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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by shiftytigger » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:29 am

Not sure about going Orwelian but I do think Im going to have to get feckin medieval on the JC and their slack brained incompetence , shoddy service and the constant runaround I am getting on their phone system.

Ive had quite enough of being unemployed , but Ive had way more enough of these c#nts. Putting the sh1tkickers on tomorrow and im going to get some answers , register my complaints and make a lot of fuss in general.

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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by Antiriad2097 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:51 am

That could go one of two ways in my experience.

They'll either run around in horror and give in to get rid of you, or they'll stonewall you because you're being abusive/causing trouble.

Sometimes making a fuss gets results unfortunately. Try not to get shouty, absolutely don't get abusive. That'll just get you chucked out and potentially banned from the office. None of it will endear anyone toward being helpful in the long term though.

Be polite, be insistent that you get adequate answers, try not to lose the rag. Usually works best, especially if you can get someone on side to see from your PoV.
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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by shiftytigger » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:58 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:That could go one of two ways in my experience.

They'll either run around in horror and give in to get rid of you, or they'll stonewall you because you're being abusive/causing trouble.

Sometimes making a fuss gets results unfortunately. Try not to get shouty, absolutely don't get abusive. That'll just get you chucked out and potentially banned from the office. None of it will endear anyone toward being helpful in the long term though.

Be polite, be insistent that you get adequate answers, try not to lose the rag. Usually works best, especially if you can get someone on side to see from your PoV.
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I see too many people trying to wade in knee deep with the bad attitude - its not my nature.
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Re: Being unemployed going Orwelian!

Post by Sega2006 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:40 am

Ive been in and out of the JC since 2009, of late its acctually been much better, a while back it was awful, you could get punished for being a minute late yet they could be late by a whole hour, staff claimed I had been warned I hadnt supplied evidence for one part yet the previous times I was told all is well, I got patronised because of a Job I left long before I claimed and when I was in college (over a year in fact before I finished college) and then told I couldnt have automotive work because I had no qualifications (yet the proof I have a level 2 was right under her nose), she then sent me on a mandatory course that would sponsor me to learn which turned out pointless as they had bugger all in my matched subjects, after that I got shafted with my first admission to the work programme, they were supposively giving people things to help with work, in my case a forklift license, weeks and weeks went by with no learning whatsoever sat in their crappy little office told to just look at stuff on the PCs which there were not enough of and were serverly in need of replacement or look at their 'job books' at vacancies, a lot of which were very out of date (I almost applied for a job that matched me perfectly and then I realised it closed 8 months previous), in the end I found a job without their help and got on with it until it all went pearshaped and it was resign or get bullied until dismissed so back on the JSA I went, months passed switching to a weekly thing because of my age and then back to fortnightly because they realised it was pointless, got sent back to the work programme, unsurprisngly there were no staff in there from my previous imprisonment and I got stuck with one of the biggest tw@ts Ive ever come across, first up she forced me to go on their supposive learning system because of my low GCSE's which I showed them was flawed and useless, all it litrally was was several BBC pages intended for use by schools and each one acctually required tutor input, something seetec didnt think through, I then got shoved onto learn direct and did a maths and litracey GCSE equivlent, inbetween the tw@t rang me up going 'oh I have a great oppitunity for you, working as an apprentice porter in lister hospital (in short a glorified woefully paid cleaner), are you intrested, Im going to have them call you tomorrow', to which I said sorry I cant be sure when Im around as I have a Job Interview and I cant say when I will be back but I will talk to them on another day, and she went (in a patronising tone) 'Oh well you obviously cant be bothered, Ill offer it to somone more worthwhile', and then put the phone down on me.
Not long later I got offered an IT apprenticeship (wont go into that mess here) so I took it, I also did a slight naughty and didnt tell the Job centre I was visiting my then girlfriend as it was acctually christmas, needless to say my dad managed to let slip the day before I came home I was in Barnsley so I got a whiny bollocking and a letter telling me off but I wasnt too bothered, once I got the full details of the apprenticeship, as the placement hadnt started yet I needed to see if I was still allowed JSA, I spent days going back and forth from departments tring to get a straight answer, which turned out to be no in the end, a week into it work programme tw@t rings up going why havent you come in for the review, and I said I told you I am in what is classed as full time education/work so I cant and she went but you still have to and its more important (ok so applying for stuff you arent going to do is more important than the apprenticeship you want to do? :shock: ), I told her to politely go off and I got a moany letter saying my benifit could be affected, when I no longer was reciveing it.
Fastfoward to august/september and after the complete mess (of which is still not resolved) I had no choice put to sign back on, this time it want too bad, after a while of umming and arrring they finally found all my old details and got on with it, the advisors acctually made sense and were more pleasent, they did have to send me back to the work programme but I dont blame them for that bit, however the work programme is just as useless as it ever was, my first appointment was a 'mandatory Job search', I turned up and there was virtually no one there, including the person who I was supposed to see, in the end the receptionist handed me a bit of paper and I had to sit and use their PC for a minimum of 30 minutes to do exactly what I do on my more efficiant machine at home, next appointment I got put on something called the youth contract, this envolves bombaring employers with a badly written and extremely patronising letter basically offering them money to even have you as slave labour just to get you off the goverment books.
I also got stuck with a week long course which the guy doing it even felt it should be optional as not everyone needed it (when sent to him before he said I had no issues that would cause me to require one of these), at the next 'review' I then got told to take my CV into every shop which is acctually easier said than done, most shops will not acctually take CV's anymore, they want electronic or their own forms and only when advertised.
Im due again but last night I got offered temp night work so once Ive found out my exact hours (you can have up to 16 hours work before becoming non eligable for JSA) I will tell them the exacts, and possibly by time I find myself on JSA again (in this town it seems inevitable) I will see another set of people working on the work programme with no previous staff remaining.

If anyone would like to see the youth contract letter shoot me a PM and I will email you it and you can see for yourself how bad it is.
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