For the second time, I am not saying 1 illegal download = 1 lost sale. I'm saying that any illegal download that results in a lost sale hurts the media industry.r0jaws wrote:Yes I am. The entertainment industry likes to blow hard about "lost sales" but there is no hard evidence for this "fact".Guybrush wrote:...Are you honestly disputing this?!...
In truth when the RIAA tried to dispute this and take the matter to court, the ruling went against them. 17000-illegal-downloads-dont-equal-17000-lost-sales
Are you asking about my personal IP or in general? I don't suppose anyone has illegally downloaded anything I've produced as it's all (relatively speaking) sh1t. If you're asking me if I think relatively famous bands/labels/film studios/games companies have lost out in sales then yes. I don't understand how anyone could think it has zero net negative effect.r0jaws wrote:Just think about the demographics involved in downloading, are they all likely to have bought whatever your IP is? Even if your IP wasn't available to download, do you think you would sell even one piece of media more?
I don't know why you think it would be an exponential effect, but yes, I believe home taping as well as the ability to burn and copy CDs will have also had a net negative impact on sales in the past (not to the extent that 'home taping is killing music' however).r0jaws wrote:Look at the sales of media over the last 50 years, with each advancement of technology, if what you assert is true, then with each advancement in the ability to dupliacte IP from tape to CD and finally the arrival of the internet would have gradually and exponentially obliterated any sales whatsoever.
Ethics?r0jaws wrote:Why would anyone pay, when you can get it for free?
Pretty much the only music I download is for DJing. It makes no difference to me practically whether I illegally download this music or I pay for it. I choose to pay for it because it's wrong not to.
Without being insulting, I find it incredibly naive to think that fans will always buy media. Most will. Some won't. Good and bad media gets pirated. Good and bad media gets bought.r0jaws wrote:The answer is, because fans will always buy media. Good media sells, poor media gets thrown in the bargain bin.
Probably?r0jaws wrote:Fans will go and see their favourite bands live, buy the merchandise. Casuals, who may have copies of that music on their harddrive will listen to it as if it's on the radio. If it wasn't available, they would probably just listen to the radio.
I wasn't aware I was ranting. It's not a case of solving a problem - I just don't see why some people believe they have the right not to pay for things.r0jaws wrote:Rant as much as you want, to invite a close down of torrent sites just to protect "potential" sales is not going to solve your "problem".
Maybe. It doesn't change the fact that piracy is wrong. You call it copywrite infringement, I call it theft.r0jaws wrote:All it does is give a pretext for Govt to introduce more restrictions on an outlet they would love to control.
This article is about DRM and I'm not sure what that has to do with shutting down torrent sites. DRM obviously doesn't work. I imagine it's impossible to quanitfy the illegal download/lost sale ratio, but is this guy actually arguing that illegal downloading increases legal sales of his games?! A cute idea that I haven't heard since the days of Napster.r0jaws wrote:Seeing as this is a gaming forum, then a different view from a member of the industry might introduce a different perspective. Pirated games are not lost sales.
Ultimately, I believe two things:
1. I believe piracy negatively impacts sales in the media industry. You believe every single person who has ever downloaded something illegally would definitely not have paid for it if that were their only option. In effect no sale has ever been lost to piracy.
2. I believe illegal downloading is ethically wrong. You either don't believe it's ethically wrong, which I simply don't understand, or you believe that it's a fair price to pay for protecting internet freedom, which I have a better time understanding (although I think it's a little paranoid).
Either way, I really can't over emphasize how much we're at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to this issue.