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Post by samhain81 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:12 pm

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Post by r0jaws » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:02 pm

I think you're over-compensating there.

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Post by Sixteen Plus » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:36 pm

I can't stand bullying. Bullying has always been the same throughout the years. I was bullied growing up, I've also been cyberbullied that I've had to extend my internet security, they even went after my fiance. The kind of people you wouldn't want to meet. Their poor excuse is that they are different in real life than what they portray online. But my reply to that is "I think therefore I am".

The trouble with modern social networking and other technologies is that it's become a new tool for them, including using mobile camera video phones for youtube. The bullies are the same but they now have more worldwide coverage with new and eaiser methods than before without comeback, and so can be even more cruel. It's not really the technology at fault, it's the bullies who use it to attack their targets. But it can also be the problem of the website hosts for not stamping it out properly because they haven't developed the technology enough, or sites that deliberately at fault by encouraging cyberbullying, like mentioned above.

I've read in a newspaper once last year about cyberbullies attacking a family tribute facebook page of a young poor girl killed by a train. It really turned my stomach. I have no idea how people's minds can be that warped that they just do not even care how their inappropriate behaviour reflects on themselves, after all, we might not know them but they're the one's living with themselves. Personally I'd rather be dead than be like them.

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Post by Spector » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:36 pm

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Post by SexyWayne » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:26 pm

I was bullied a fair bit at school... best method I found of dealing with them was kicking seven colours out of them one by one.. they're a lot easier to deal with when their numbers start to dwindle, and best of all it was so satisfying to make the f**kers bleed, I know not everyone can deal with the problem like that and I definately know how it feels like suicide would be easier than facing another day at school, but I took the grow a pair option and haven't regretted a single minute of it... well apart from one sheer moment of madness when I had one of them pinned against a running sanding machine in woodwork with his face a few millimetres away from it.. I got suspended for a while over that.. not my proudest moment.. strangely everyone thought I was a bit loony after that :lol:

One thing I did notice was that the teachers wouldn't do a censored thing to stop it, many times I'd have the censored kicked out of me while the teachers stood and near enough watched just shouting for it to stop, then they had the nerve to bollock me for fighting... it's not a fight when 8 or 9 of the bastards are laying into you :roll:

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Post by RetroBob » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:14 pm

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Post by Pixiu » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:17 pm

sscott wrote:Chiptune still posting loads then? Thought he was leaving? Been so much happier here since putting him on my ignore list last year.
tbh, I generally don't mind Chiptune's posts and broadly agree with his stance on bullying in this thread. I just find his (seeming) lack of self-awareness baffling/amusing.

But he seems to be able to take a dig without flipping the hell out, which is always a plus. That's something I'm still trying to learn myself. <crazy eyes>

Re online bullying... I can see QC's point about steering clear of bullying online by avoiding the places online where you're likely to be subjected to it. True, no one should have to do that, but his point is that it's a better option than getting so wound up that you want to kill yourself.

But still, there are likely complications with the avoidance tactic - eg, if you're avoiding a social networking site because of bullying, your absence from it might risk you becoming ostracised from your peers and it might all snowball from there. Plus if the bully is talking crap about you in your absence, I imagine there would be a strong urge to sneak on to see what's being said, particularly in those more extreme cases where someone sets up a hate site dedicated to slagging you off.

Nonetheless, I think I'd prefer to be avoiding an online bully rather than having to cross the playground or take the long way home to avoid a meathead who wants to punch your face in. But the potential for an online bully to reach a wide audience of your peers is worrying, and the prospect of dealing with that kind of online exposure combined with the 'punch your face in if I see you' meatheads would be pretty daunting.

Hmm... if i ever have kids I think I'll enroll them in a course teaching the noble art of verbal abuse to see them through both online and offline hassle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnPfgX82GmM
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Post by andyc » Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:31 am

QuantumCrayons wrote: Whether or not the Internet should be expected to have bullying on it, it does. Tough censored. If it's getting to the point of suicide, don't use it. Life is hard and all, but at least you're still alive if all other avenues fail.
There's an enormous amount of hipocrisy in this thread and I was trying to stay out of it, but you're so way off the mark here it really needs addressing. If somebody is being bullied on Facebook, not going on Facebook doesn't make it go away. Even if they don't look at the site ever again, they know it's still happening, they know worse things are waiting for them there should they ever look. In many ways what they might imagine can become far, far worse than what anyone might actually have done. That's the thing about bullying that is so often overlooked, it doesn't stop just because there isn't anyone actively doing it at any one time, for the victims it's a constant stress.

And making statements like 'man up' is a horrendous way of dealing with the problem. It puts the blame on the victim, rather that those who are actually responsible for the bullying. It's right up there with suggesting that a rape victim was 'probably asking for it'. Don't make excuses for the perpertrators and don't place blame on the victims, because neither of those is an acceptable or helpful way of dealing with the issue.

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Post by Havantgottaclue » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:00 am

@ andyc *applauds*
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Post by nakamura » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:29 am

If you are being bullied on Facebook then why the hell would you continue to use it?

It isn't like school where you don't have a choice. Facebook is not a necessity in life and people need to realise that. QC has a very valid point, we do need to toughen up as people get treated like they are made out of glass and in the society we life in we are very fortunate. I think Space Turnip did manage to put QCs point into a far better context mind.
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Post by Havantgottaclue » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:38 am

nakamura wrote:we do need to toughen up as people get treated like they are made out of glass and in the society we life in we are very fortunate.
To me, that only goes to show how unimportant material wealth actually is compared to people's social and spiritual difficulties.

The ironic thing about all of this is how technologies designed to bring people together actually end up being profoundly isolating, for some. I, personally, have chosen not to go down the FB/Twitter route at all - I'm not really all that gregarious, so I just like to be able to do some socialising then go home and lock myself up with some games, music, books, films and suchlike. An easy choice for me to make at my age, but it must be more difficult for some in the younger generation.
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Post by nakamura » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:53 am

There is a big difference between having a roof over your head that living in mud huts, that is more what I was thinking.
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Post by Shinobi » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:54 am

RetroBob wrote:
samhain81 wrote:Image
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That baby reminds me of the Dwarf from the old b&w film Freaks..

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Post by Smurph » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:47 am

Havantgottaclue wrote:@ andyc *applauds*
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Post by QuantumCrayons » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:03 am

For those of you saying "staying off of Facebook doesn't make it go away".
Please, tell everyone here your amazing cure for bullying, because there are tens of thousands of people across this country alone who would like to hear it. You can't stop bullying, it's as simple as that; you continue to say my avenues are unreasonable and yet give none of your own. It's all very well saying "oh you should get it sorted" when you can't. Nothing you can do it going to stop people being complete twats towards you, hence why every single method of dealing with bullying is an avoidance tactic. Let me give some examples.
- Suspension
- Expulsion
- Changing seats in a class
- Changing classes

None of these examples actually stop the bullying; all they do is move the victim away from the person causing it. Explain how these are acceptable and yet staying away from the bully online is not.

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