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Panorama - Internet Trolls - Severely depressing

Post by ChipTune » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:07 pm

Got back from pub and just finished watching panorma on BBC1

This episode focused on trolls and cyber bullying and it was pretty shocking stuff, did anyone see it?

It featured several people (young girls) bullied anonymously online until they ended up taking their own lives, which resulted in horrendous 'tribute' pages being set up with LOLs and animated gifs of them being killed etc..

There are actually trolls who go to all tribute pages leaving horrific comments.. many of them racist slurs that I wouldnt even want to repeat here in censored form.. truely grim.

Another site called little gossip actually allows kids to go to a page for their school or college and anonymously leave comments about students (by name) and then others can 'agree or disagree'

This site serves no other purpose than to serve as a bullying tool..

I really am glad that I am not a school kid in this age as this desensitization via an ever increasing online presense is quite worrying.. you hear stories about sick people recording footage of people being beaten up and 'LOLing', and even people encouraging others to commit suicide online, but watching this was genuinely shocking to me.. I didn't realise how rough kids have it these days..

When I was at school some demented kid came after me with piano wire.. that was fairly weak, and I was bullied quite a lot, but I got by just about, if I had to return home to my sanctuary (I loved my commodore 64) and have to face more of that sh1t at home, in such vicious ways, I probably would have done myself in too.

I recommend people watch it on BBC iplayer or something.. and if you have kids and you dont know much about this I would definately watch it so you may be able to talk about it with your kids or something..
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Post by QuantumCrayons » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:17 pm

ChipTune wrote:if I had to return home to my sanctuary (I loved my commodore 64) and have to face more of that sh1t at home, in such vicious ways, I probably would have done myself in too.
We had porn 24/7 in ever way you could imagine.
For every cloud, there is a silver lining ;)

Really, though, it's not as bad as they say it is.

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Post by Space_turnip » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:44 pm

I agree. I don't understand why some people have to go on the internet and insult a large number of people (calling them fat, or nerds, or virgins, for instance), especially those who then change their names afterwards. Even worse when the same people then make several threads calling large numbers of people scummy chavs, and stereotyping entire races before editing their posts. Shockingly bad.

But yeah. Internet Trolls are the downfall of modern society. No one was ever offensive to anyone else before the internet, no kids were ever bullied, and no one ever contemplated suicide. Panorama have a history of making misinformed modern technology scare stories, this was no different (I watched it tonight btw).
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Post by djcarlos » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:31 am

You're all fat nerdy virgins.
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Post by stvd » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:17 am

QuantumCrayons wrote:Really, though, it's not as bad as they say it is.
:shock:

If there are kids killing themselves over it then yes, it is as bad as they say it is.
In fact, it's probably worse and more widespread than the program shows.
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Post by MikeFishcake » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:24 am

I saw a trailer for it and wanted to throw something at the screen. With that smug guy saying that it wasn't illegal, then after being reminded of the racist insults saying that a few weeks in jail is nothing, really made me angry.

Making snide and pointless derogatory comments about dead people for no other reason than to upset their friends and relatives is a horrible, disgusting thing. The medium used is irrelevant; whether it's to someone's face, over the phone, text message, email, facebook or any other method. It's bullying. It's harassment. It's abusive and serves no purpose other than to cause someone mental anguish, and is even worse at a time when they're already at a personal low.

As I've said before, the only fair way to behave on any form of internet media is to use "Pub Rules" - i.e. if you wouldn't dare say it to someone's face in a crowded pub, then don't write it online.

(I'm not trying to claim I've never, ever said anything derogatory online, but that's how I try to behave now)

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Post by psj3809 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:37 am

Yep it was great they nicked that bloke a few months ago who was a complete ******* for creating loads of crap about that girl who died, posted sick youtube videos and facebook stuff etc. Thankfully these people are stupid as they dont 'seem' to realise they can easily be traced. But i must admit i do wonder why on earth they do it, just bizarre sick behaviour.

But yeah that rule about 'only post something online if you'll say it to someones face' is a good rule. You'll see on many forums the loud obnoxious type of ones are the ones who never go to any social events at all.

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Post by RetroBob » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:41 am

Panorama's job is to scare people, I don't want to make light of people killing themselves, but I hear they did so before the internet.
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Post by psj3809 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:57 am

RetroBob wrote:Panorama's job is to scare people, I don't want to make light of people killing themselves, but I hear they did so before the internet.
Exactly, my dad watches Panorama and whenever i see him he says 'ohhh you shouldnt.... (eat a particular item/go on holiday to a certain place/dont use cashpoints/dont talk to....) etc. Takes it a bit too seriously

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Post by ChipTune » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:49 am

RetroBob wrote:Panorama's job is to scare people, I don't want to make light of people killing themselves, but I hear they did so before the internet.
Yes thats understandable.. but your argument doesnt hold any weight..
If a new device came out that allowed people to rape other people really easily.. the same argument you put forward would be 'well people were being raped before this device came out so it's no big deal'

Being bullied has gone on since the beginning of time, but there has been nothing like the system we have now whereby people can say and do really hurtful things and broadcast it all over the internet for everyone to see.. not just 'Dave is a stinky head' but seriously poor things picking on vunerable kids weakest spots and urging insecure kids to kill themselves in a spiteful and evil way.

As a kid I knew once I was home I could at least get away from people calling me fatso and other nicknames.. but if I had to go home to switch on my computer to relax and there were pictures of me and horrific things being said, that 30 or more people were clicking agree to.. then I would have been 10 times worse and certainly wouldnt have wanted to go back to school..

This is the reality of whats happening.. maybe not to the scale of Panoramas spin on it, but it is out there and its unnacceptable.


Also Im getting bored of the hassle Im getting on here.. Im trying to make a valid point. I made a few mistakes when I first came to this forum which Ive apologised for, and trying to make up for by being an active member of this community and getting on well with a few people.. yet whatever I write, regardless of how helpful or just interested I am in others responses, I get agro from arseholes.

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Post by joefish » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:19 am

Panorama used to be serious journalism. Now it's just Daily Mail TV, and it's apallingly researched and edited.

Having said that, they did make the point that the police don't have co-ordinated approaches. One county will go for a conviction, another hasn't. Some footbally nob is in trouble over 'alleged' racist statements while that guy on the bus isn't.

But again, it's the focus of the media - pick a couple of incidents that they can get on film and pretend that matters to everyone. Every instance is a special case and that's a lot of work for a police force to take on. And if the coppers are suddenly given new powers of arrest for on-line abusers, you can guarantee that there'll then be a slew of cases of abuse of those powers turning up in the media. But yes, a bloke like that needs to be treated like a government form - take him out, and fill him in.
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Post by alistair_thomas » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:05 am

I was bullied pretty much throughout my entire school life and I can only imagine how much worse it could have been had the bullies had access to the 'tools' they have now.

I think in terms of school bullying though, a lot more needs to be done. I remember witnessing one of my friends having the crap beaten out of him (although to be fair he gave as good as he got). The abuse he received from his attacker would have been enough to earn a short jail sentence, but the only thing that happened to him was that he was suspended for one (!) day.

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Post by Wookiee » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:10 am

Didn't see it myself but seen similar stuff reported before so doubt it's anything new so to speak.

I'm not convinced that the internet is to blame for bullying, it's always happened and always will - in fact, I'm sure that if we are all totally honest then we will at some point in our lives (mainly school days I hope...) bullied someone and been bullied - I know I have, the key is how you deal with it....guess it's an evolutionary hang up from our descending from apes ad that - they all seem to have an established heirarchy in a social group that is established by well....bullying as far as I can tell (ie: big ape hits or theatens little ape to establish dominance).

All the internet does is give people the anonimity to say things in a safe way so encourages more outrageous insults....as someone alluded to before with the pub analogy earlier I think. I get abusive messages from little squeakers on Xbox Live now n then, usually if I've done well in a game which I know for a fact they wouldn't have the balls to say to my face :lol:

I'm no expert but my assumption is that the only difference between the net and the "old school" bullying is that the victims can access the net 24/7 thus never getting a break from it...IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

So....logically the victims can choose to ignore the bullying simply by not going onto whatever sites this stuff gets posted on nowadays. It's not right but it could work - much the same way as Chiptune was saying that going home provided a sactuary from hassle etc it should be for them too.....unless they go looking for this stuff.

Finally, and not wishing to in any way condone the bully's behaviour at all (as it's reprehnisble if taken to these extremes) I think that someone who is prepared to kill themselves over being bullied probably has other mental issues that are causing them distress....maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me if that was a "normal" reaction to bullying then there'd be a hell of a lot fewer kids around than there are.

Anyway thats my tuppence on it, could be wrong but a the end of the day we all have to make our own call on facts/ or lack thereof which we have available

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Post by The Angry Jock » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:24 am

alistair_thomas wrote:I think in terms of school bullying though, a lot more needs to be done. I remember witnessing one of my friends having the crap beaten out of him (although to be fair he gave as good as he got). The abuse he received from his attacker would have been enough to earn a short jail sentence, but the only thing that happened to him was that he was suspended for one (!) day.
Same sort of thing happened to my brother, he got a brick to face by this coward who was hiding behind a wall, almost blinding him in one eye....he got a 3 day suspension. He got off lightly though, I eventually got kicked out of school during 5th year :lol:
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Post by Carrot007 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:26 am

ChipTune wrote:As a kid I knew once I was home I could at least get away from people calling me fatso and other nicknames.. but if I had to go home to switch on my computer to relax and there were pictures of me and horrific things being said, that 30 or more people were clicking agree to.. then I would have been 10 times worse and certainly wouldnt have wanted to go back to school..
It's not as if they are forced to go and read the stuff. Switching on the computer does not automatically make them see it.

I was bullied at school and I don't think the platform the buillying takes really makes any difference. I have not seen any evidence that the ammount of bullying going on these days is any different to any other time in history.

The over the top luny PC brigade may want to lable eveything that is not rosey and nice as bullying these days and this is why we get programmes like this. The simple fact is there are a few rare cases where things go that wrong. They did before the internet.

What we really should be taking about is what can be done to stop bullying in general whatever the form. Which for a great part is don't feed the trolls (which applies to ye olde non internet troll as much as any other). There is probably something wrong with people that needs addressing if they take everything so personally. We are creatures with pack instincts and weed out the weakest, the world is not all nice. Don't take it personally.

(Disclaimer, I'm sure some will anything I write here the wrong way! Please calm down, I probably did not mean what you have decided I did)

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