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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by thompson9980 » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:18 pm

I went to that chippy twice and it was good both times but hey.......

On a slightly different topic. Who was the chap with all the Atari Jaguar stuff? I had a chat with him about replacement boxes of which he showed me a website. The thing is, I cant remember the website :( and I didn't pick up a leaflet.
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Post by RetroBob » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:26 pm

The sandwich shop near the post office was decent too - they really appreciated our custom and stayed open longer on Saturday and opened especially on Sunday to keep us fed, in fact because of our custom they had cleaned the local shops out of barmcakes!
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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by ben76 » Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:25 am

Heavy Stylus wrote:Ok, well if everyone else is making criticisms, I might as well throw my 2p's worth in.

As said by several others, I thought that the after show 'party' was pretty naff. It was more like a formal wedding reception or awards ceremony than the casual back-room event that I had expected, and had I known what it would be like I would have spent the evening elsewhere. A proper alcohol-fuelled party in the back room of a club or arts centre with a discounted bar and an established band with a decent sound system blaring out chip tunes would have been more up my street - something more akin to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDqoaW_l08k

The most surreal bit of the party was the impressive Battle-of-Britain scale paper aeroplane battle that took place - I've never seen anything like it.

As mentioned in my blog, the coin-ops were pretty frustrating due to requiring odd button combinations to add credits (on operation wolf you had to press the coin return button, for example), and there was nothing on the machines to show you what to do to add money. Other than that, the event was pretty much what I expected. I'll probably come again next year.
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You do realise that the cabs weren't replays and were from peoples own collections. The OP Wolf for example doesn't have a free play mode built in so the best way to do it was to extend the service button somewhere without changing the look of the cab, replay were informed of this. A lot of work went onto that cab to get it ready for replay, only 6 months earlier it was a shell worth nothing. After quite a bit of money spent on restoring the cab which included the worlds biggest ever monitor chassis repair, a whole new working board set being found and purchased, new locks, etc, etc. It then got collected in the owners own time (had to come out of work) who helped load it onto a van (they are very heavy cabs btw). Upon arriving at replay it had developed a fault so needed to be fixed quite a few times, all using the owners own time and they didn't accept the free ticket. The same owner spend most of the day crediting the machine and telling as many people as possible how to credit it.
All in all a lot of work went into getting that cab ready using the owners own time, money, etc so that people could play what is, in my view one of the nicest, if not the nicest, OP Wolf cabs still going. I should know as its mine. Anyway you won't have to worry about it being sent to replay again as I won't be sending it as I've now sold it. I'll still be sending some cabs to next years replay if there wanted as I believe they're enjoyed by the majority even with "frustrating combinations to add credits"
Except for fixing my cab I enjoyed replay and it was nice to meet the people I did! :D
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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by woody.cool » Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:30 am

I loved the Operation Wolf cab - once I'd worked out the credits.
All I did was ask some passer-by and found out how to do it.
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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by ben76 » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:12 am

woody.cool wrote:I loved the Operation Wolf cab - once I'd worked out the credits.
All I did was ask some passer-by and found out how to do it.
Just ask somebody near by or ask somebody in a Replay t-shirt and all will be revealed.
That passer-by was probably me :lol: I was wearing a Jamma + t-shirt on the sat and a Track and field one on the sun
Glad you liked the cab as I know many people did. I think one of the things that made it worth while me sending/maintaining the cab was seeing a man in a wheel chair pull himself up using the gun to have a go. I had a quick chat with him and was informed he loved OP Wolf bitd. I even saw him going back for another go later :D
It just seems that some people don't know/understand how much personnal time people put in to make there own private collections available to be back with the public as they used to be even if just for a weekend, as said I sent my cab so it wasn't just myself and my 6 cabs (in total) all lonely in a garage in Cheshire!
As above OP Wolf has now been sold to make way for the next one. I should hopefully have Ivan Iron Man Super Off Road up and running soon, so all being well that'll be offered up for the next replay along with some nice jamma things, I may have around 4 of my cabs ready for next year.
Oh before I forget some people had put some money in it and this will be donated to charity when I get the cab back to see how much there is!

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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by RetroBob » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:40 am

I appreciated it mate, cracking game, looked lovely too.
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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by muguk » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:22 am

thompson9980 wrote:I went to that chippy twice and it was good both times but hey.......

On a slightly different topic. Who was the chap with all the Atari Jaguar stuff? I had a chat with him about replacement boxes of which he showed me a website. The thing is, I cant remember the website :( and I didn't pick up a leaflet.
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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by Mellow » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:25 am

RMLF wrote:
Mellow wrote: One final point - did anyone buy food from the chip shop opposite? Considering we're in Blackpool, they serve by far the worst Fish and Chips I've ever had. Horrendous would be an absolute understatement.
Worst Fish and Chips? Are you mental?

What was wrong with the Fish and chips? The Chippy was much improved from last year, no greasiness, no undercooked food, Great and I mean huge portions. The fish and Chips my mate had on saturday had two bits of fish and it the flesh was whiter than white confirming its freshness. Top service and the staff bent over backwards to help.

Which chippy did you go to?
No grease!? The only way there could have been more grease was if John Travolta himself was manning the deep fat frier. It was absolutely vile. This is the 3rd event I've attended at the Norbreck and it's fair to say I'm never ever eating there again. The 3rd and final time I've given it a shot.

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Post by RMLF » Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:07 pm

Mellow wrote: No grease!? The only way there could have been more grease was if John Travolta himself was manning the deep fat frier. It was absolutely vile. This is the 3rd event I've attended at the Norbreck and it's fair to say I'm never ever eating there again. The 3rd and final time I've given it a shot.

Fair does, jokey post from RMLF goes over the head over everyone again :oops:

Its a chippy, eat there or dont... Grease on non grease? Maybe Dripping or Lard is to taste? :D
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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by Mellow » Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:02 pm

RMLF wrote:
Mellow wrote: No grease!? The only way there could have been more grease was if John Travolta himself was manning the deep fat frier. It was absolutely vile. This is the 3rd event I've attended at the Norbreck and it's fair to say I'm never ever eating there again. The 3rd and final time I've given it a shot.

Fair does, jokey post from RMLF goes over the head over everyone again :oops:

Its a chippy, eat there or dont... Grease on non grease? Maybe Dripping or Lard is to taste? :D
Oh right, if you were being sarcastic then yeah, I didn't interpret your tone at all in that post. I actually thought you'd come away and thought 'great service'.

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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by RMLF » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:25 pm

Mellow wrote:
RMLF wrote:
Mellow wrote: No grease!? The only way there could have been more grease was if John Travolta himself was manning the deep fat frier. It was absolutely vile. This is the 3rd event I've attended at the Norbreck and it's fair to say I'm never ever eating there again. The 3rd and final time I've given it a shot.

Fair does, jokey post from RMLF goes over the head over everyone again :oops:

Its a chippy, eat there or dont... Grease on non grease? Maybe Dripping or Lard is to taste? :D
Oh right, if you were being sarcastic then yeah, I didn't interpret your tone at all in that post. I actually thought you'd come away and thought 'great service'.
To be fair some was joking some wasnt, Which was which, you decide :D
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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by Turnarcades » Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:49 pm

OK, so it's been a week now and we at Turnarcades have now overcome the fallout from Replay and finally settling back into things. For those that haven't yet seen them, our photo's from the show can be viewed on our facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 104&type=1 and our small amount of footage from the event has been compiled into a video now uploaded to our youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Turnarcades. Our videos mainly feature us and activities/exhibits in the vicinity of our show stand obviously, both because we know home-build features won't be highly featured by some bloggers/vloggers and because of purely how busy it was over in our area all weekend and we had little chance to do the coverage we would have liked. Most of it was snapped on mobile phones so excuse the quality, but we have been facebook tagged in many better quality features for those who missed our section of the show. We appreciate this may not be of much interest to purists but for those who are but couldn't get near ours or Dave Brown's machines all weekend for a game, these should give you an idea of what you missed.

As far as the show goes, we'd first like to say that our personal feelings are that this show was easily double the show last year's was in terms of size, quality and attendance. There was so much more going on and closely observed the increased difficulty and resulting effort that went into the organisation of the show and say well done to the main bods and volunteer Replay crew who put so much into the previous promotional events to drum up interest and to support the extra mass of work on the actual weekend. I've noticed some criticisms in reviews this week but can honestly say to everyone who was not involved that a lot of support was given to exhibitors and traders this year to ensure any help that could be provided was and ensure all the visitors were to have a good time. From our point of view, even with the late pre-show problems we experienced Dave Moore went to some lengths to ensure we had a comfortable time there in a suitable setting for our planned exhibits. With a bit more detail, here's our feelings on each aspect of the event:

Organisation/The Replay Team

I'd like to cover this first as being new to the show scene last year we had a very mixed experience at Replay 2010 - I was vocal about some evident apprehension of event regulars to accept the presence of our exhibits as they do tend to conflict with the purist view some people hold, particularly members of the RG forums, pinball groups and arcade collectors. I personally felt that all but a select few did not welcome anything surrounding emulation and being strangers to most, we witnessed a few comments from other exhibitors and some volunteers that did make us uncomfortable. This year however many of the same people and many more have been more aware of the work we do as enthusiasts and many crew members, casual facebook followers and others associated with the organisation kindly took time to nip over (even if just briefly) to drop in a compliment about the work we do and our general presence on the scene, and say thanks for the efforts we made to come despite prior circumstances that may have affected us making it to the show as well as the efforts we made to put on an impressive stand with original content. Many comments came forward from Dave, Mat, Simon, Gordon and others about the efforts we're making to bring some unique skills to the scene and I believe Vinny and/or Chris Wilkins popped their heads in during the show simply to say "gotta be said, your stuff now is just next level!" which made all the effort worth it. Many thanks to Vinny for the setup help and watching our back, Dave Brown for the same, and to Dave, Simon and Gordon who all stopped by several times to ask if we needed anything and how things were going. Prior to this event I personally had a little paranoia around the feelings towards us from organisers and can safely say after this weekend any hatchet that might have been has been thankfully well buried.

Organisation/Event

We felt that the organisation of the whole event was great, and all those in the crew we saw were busy all weekend finding as little time as we did to play games. The efforts that went in with promotion prior to the event are likely the main reason attendance was so high as awareness is always going to be the biggest factor in getting an event with this theme into big figures. I noticed several forumites criticised the size/capacity/commercial aspect of this event and in their defence I can understand that many do like to attend events for the social aspect. Being realistic and in defence of the organisers though I would also re-iterate that the intention of the event is not just retro-gaming and it is not just an RG member event; it is meant to encompass all aspects of gaming from different generations, and also to appeal to casual enthusiasts and those without an online presence, so inevitably this will mean high visitor numbers and maintain future event popularity by word of mouth. With regards to the commercial aspect, I disagree slightly with both the organisers on this and those in forums who are adamant it should be all about playing the games. In an ideal world I'd love to attend a huge show where everyone just plays games, but the economics demand that sellers of various kinds will need to be present as their pitch fees will be the main source of initial funding for any event and their presence (particularly those with stands that feature attractions like the big game companies or even small businesses like us as we simply bring machines to play) can determine early ticket sales, which contrastingly will generate the cover of any sundries and possible potential profit of a show. For those who want it less commercial, bear in mind that depending on one or two large-input investors keeps commercial presence down but also means that in the event of a problem there is little fallback, such as happened with the dropout of gamestation, Sega, reduced Nintendo presence and the last-minute absence of competition prizes as the main contributor did not come through - in worse case scenario this could cancel an event and it'd be unfair to expect Console Passion to bear the entire burden with the money they already put into the event. On the flipside of this too many low-price opportunities would allow an eyesore of too many 'market stall' style stands with sellers taking up too much space peddling low-quality wares, which would ultimately ruin the credibility of the event and it's understandable the organisers want to avoid this. Maintaining what I mentioned both last year and this year, I think the balance was getting better this year with a few more medium-level vendors like us, so at least if a few more credible vendors could be invited and space allocated carefully, there are not too many too ruin the atmosphere of the event but enough that the burden of the event does not fall on one or two and there are fallback options. Let's not forget that a great majority of feedback we received last year during and after the event were that those attending events like this have money they'd like to spend if they wish, so it's nice to have something to spend money on - not everyone just comes to socialise and drink and both forumites and casual visitors want show-reduced bargains and souvenirs to take away.

In short, I'd say to those wanting a more social event that they are best kept to small meets as at least no-one has to foot a massive venue bill - there is still opportunity to socialise outside this venue if you want and if not there's plenty of smaller events going on already. Replay is the biggest event of it's kind and encompasses a broad spectrum of gamers so it's never going to be a big opportunity for personal socialising, and more casual gamers enjoy the vibe of a big event which may be their only opportunity to play games on the level witnessed there; not everyday like some of us die-hards do.

The Crowd

This year I would say that the overall crowd in general was much friendlier and enthusiastic for the reasons mentioned above. Non-crew members who have a regular presence on the show scene seemed much more welcoming of us this year, and those that weren't were probably able to give us a wider berth as there was much more to do this year - this means the hardcore purists who spit at anything that remotely deviates from their memories (such as our products) could happily stay glued to their favourite piece of old hardware in their little bubble! Casual gamers represented the largest percentage of visitors to our stand as they'd simply never seen these kind of creations, and I'm please to say we've inreased both our own fanbase and got a few more casual gamers more interested in the home-build and retro scenes in general. That's not to say we didn't get our fair share of pro gamers, arcade enthusiasts and modern gamers too with the stuff we had on offer catching their eye (such as our SF4 machine pulling PS3/X-Box gamers, our unique compact arcades or Dave Brown's scaled replicas), and thankfully some self-confessed former doubters of our work praised and enjoyed our products. As others have said, there were still one or two friendless basement-dwelling neckbeards who felt it necessary to be very rude and unsociable with some and although we only witnessed one such instance and promptly addressed it Wolverhampton-style (maybe it was something to do with the correctly-assessed intimidating air of me and my guys?), some visitors to our stand also reported some offensive behaviour elsewhere. We're very grateful to the mostly-casual visitor crowd mentioned who formed the crowd at our stall all weekend and our gamer friends who correctly fed off the positive vibe of these visitors for making our event, but to those few remaining hard-core fanboys who turn their nose up at anyone with thoughts outside their small-minded social circle or those idiots who fuel their egos with drink, complaining and rude behaviour towards anyone they perceive as too polite or weak to answer back, I'd say stay the hell away and go back to living in your mom's cellar. You aren't welcome, no-one wants to hear your "unusual senses of humour" excuse for a bad attitude and you should be careful as these events are not all filled with those who will quietly stand by and let you talk to others like that if you catch my drift. Might do better going back to live in your Mom's basement with your left-handed websites for company.

Trade Experience

Simply put, this event was a huge success for Turnarcades! Although this event clashes somewhat with our work schedule (our Christmas order cut-off was the week before the show), we took orders well into next year, greatly increased our exposure, sold most of the small amount of sale items we had and made some great new business friends and contacts. The mix of traders was great and although there were some selling similar goods, no direct competition for anybody to cause problems or atmosphere. The majority of our custom and attractors to the stall were casual visitors unfamiliar with us or our products, and I'd like to think we were viewed as a unique attraction that may bring visitors back next year. It would not matter to us if we didn't make a single sale (though always nice as it may facilitate future giveaways) as we attend as enthusiasts and happily represent a combination of the arcade scene, the emulation scene and the modern retro scene. Everyone who came to our stall enjoyed playing on our machines and some former followers were happy to view some 'fresh material' from us as our contribution to the show. Some didn't recognise us as vendors immediately which was nice, and I'm glad to say we spent the whole weekend glued to our stall so we could discuss everything from orders with customers to business progress and general gaming with our followers and retro game event regulars. It's a great shame that this year I personally didn't get to play a single game elsewhere or witness any events or competitions, but we of course are grateful this was due to our popularity and not due to any problems! Next year we hope to be more involved yet again and be able to make a major donation/contribution to the show with our own main stage competition and the highest value prizes of the show!

Venue and other factors

A common complaint I've seen is regarding Norbreck and/or Blackpool itself, which quite frankly highly surprised me. Norbreck itself is an ideal location; true the hotel itself is very qestionable and the rooms leave a lot to be desired, but the number of potential show areas gives plenty of scope for expansion, the ground floor facilities are clean and fairly priced and access to the place is great, particularly as it is actually so far up from the golden mile as not to cause parking problems. As for Blackpool itself, I can think of fewer better locations. Firstly, I'm a massive fan of the place as t holds some of my fondest childhood gaming memories and although had stiff competiton from the south coast, really is the home of the British arcade gaming scene of the last 30 years. I still frequent the place now, and the amount that's been spent and done improving the place in recent years is incredible. No-one can argue with it's volume of attractions, bars, eateries etc. and all I seem to see is a certain amount of snobbery by those who either forgot their roots or was so spoilt by foreign package holidays in some of the toughest decades for working-class people they just can't see past the tip of their sunbeds. Coupled with these, Blackpool is super-accessible for everyone, giving even the Scots a fair chance of getting there, decent motorway access for everyone else and makes a change from having to head towards the chaotic capital for a decent event for a change. Some including us would argue that the Midlands is equally accessible for everyone but there's no real gaming heritage here, venues want to charge the earth (shame that places like the NEC are so greedy) and if I'm honest it's a bit of a hole, and I live here!

With regards the uncontrollable issues, bear in mind some things will always hold true. Stinky people will always stink - hold your breath and hope they get the message. We were pretty much stuck in the same clothes all weekend, but me and the missus are very clean people and had no trouble with offensive odours, but that's just us. Some will never get the message. The after-party problems were probably due to the screw-over by Hilton and pesonally I'm glad us and the table next to us decided to censored on their chips a little by starting the aeroplane fight (yes I'm afraid it was us!) Many were very disappointed about SID80's as we'd heard great things and expected stuff like VideoGamesLive, but instead it turned out to be an unbalanced jam that killed conversation and the mood - we received an aeroplane in the back with a crude picture of a piccolo player being killed, which thankfully meant it wasn't just us being picky! I think though this idea could be expanded upon for next year and to arrange an after-show thing so those seeking the 'social' element get chance to get that element - it's a shame a side-room at Norbreck couldn't be rented with a few consoles thrown in or something even if using the main hall is out of the question? That would be awesome!

Overall

Overall the event seemed a success both from our business point of view and with comments from visitors and exhibitors, seemed very well received. I understand the calls for keeping it about the games but everyone should remember the event needs funding, and as long as the vendors are kept in check the vibe will remain good but they will ensure the future of the show, so embrace the opportunity to pick up some gifts and souvenirs. We absolutely loved the show as enthusiasts and I think the right steps are being taken to balance the commercial/games balance of the event and should be perfected the third time around. Organisation will always be a challenge with so many volunteering due to other commitments and I think things like tournaments and talks and other PA duties will improve with comments given in feedback. All we'd recommend is that perhaps alongside the promotion at other shows, the website should see earlier updates about attractions and more information on anticipated layouts should be published their to build a bit of hype - it seems this year the only abundance of info went up in the fortnight before the show, which considering the site went up at the start of the year would have been too late to capture interest in those who may have made alternative plans. Everything about the show was better this year and now I think it's a case of streamlining the ideas for smoother delivery - the complainers about show format have other alternatives and you're never going to totally please everyone, so as long as there's enough to please each gamer type moderately, an inrease in casual gamers will maintain a balance in the crowd between attractions and keep ticket sales high. I'd say most of the online forumites already attend or have enough turn up to represent their field, so it'll be the casual gamers you need to keep sweet.

Sorry this has been a lengthy post folks but it's late now so I'll just sign off with anything I've forgot and say thanks to the organisers for putting the show on and to all our followers, forum friends, customers and casual Replay visitors for making Replay 2011 such a great event to be part of and making the event a success we hope is always repeated!
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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by Helensification » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:15 am

Excellent post Turnarcades. I'm sorry I didn't manage to come over this year but I was just so busy that I missed seeing a lot of people I had intended to say hi to though did manage to see Dave's amazing replica's on the Friday night.

I heard how much your items have come on in the last year and would have liked to have seen them. Anyway glad that your experience this year was so good and roll on next year :D
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Re: Replay Expo 2011 - Official Thread

Post by MikeFishcake » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:37 am

Epic post from TurnArcades there :)

Don't worry about the "purists" whining about emulation - the retro scene wouldn't be half as successful as it was if emulation in some form or other (whether computer or console based with downloaded ROMs, web based or even newly released retro collections) didn't exist. You're never going to please all the people all the time, so I don't think they're something you should be concerned about, and as far as I'm concerned you don't ever need to justify your existence or prove that you're 'true' gaming fans.

If I had the room, I'd love one of your cabinets, but unfortunately in a 2 bedroom terrace that's already full of too much stuff, that's never going to happen.

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Post by resident paul » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:01 am

They also sell bartops & mini cabs!
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