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Post by The Angry Jock » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:21 pm

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Re: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace in 3D Opening Feb.10 2012

Post by che_don_john » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:39 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:
che_don_john wrote:Star Wars is not science fiction
This negates everything else in your argument ;)

Of course its sci fi. It has two Death Stars with technical weaknesses for starters. Laser swords, space ships, alien creatures - all sci fi trappings.
How does that negate everything else in my argument?! I think I qualified that statement pretty well! To me, science fiction isn't determined by content, but by ideas (or the exploration of them). You could replace the lightsabers with claymores, the space ships with horses and the alien creatures with goblins or whatever, and still convey the central themes of Star Wars - classic good vs evil, almost wild-west/fuedal Japan stuff, with nothing deeply philsophical or scientific at all. It's not about aesthetics, but about whats at the core, and the core of Star Wars is fantasy. It might have futuristic props but then Spaceballs has those things you mentioned and I doubt many people would consider that Sci-fi.

Whereas Blade Runner, for example, is pure sci-fi because it takes a concept (human nature), an idea (whether something sythentic can be 'human'), and creates a fictional setting to explore those things. Yes, Star Wars might have a bit of religion and a smidgen of politcs, but they aren't really integral to it.

I think you're right, though, that sci-fi and fanatsy are not mutually exclusive and that films can be both, but I'm not saying that sci-fi has to be highbrow at all. Planet of the Apes is very lowbrow but I'd say it is still definitely sci-fi.
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Re: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace in 3D Opening Feb.10 2012

Post by Smurph » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:27 am

che_don_john wrote:... the space ships with horses...
I think you'd have a hard time doing the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs on a horse though.
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Post by stvd » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:36 am

Smurph wrote:
che_don_john wrote:... the space ships with horses...
I think you'd have a hard time doing the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs on a horse though.
"But isn't a parsec a unit of distance?"

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Post by psj3809 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:45 am

che_don_john wrote:How does that negate everything else in my argument?! I think I qualified that statement pretty well! To me, science fiction isn't determined by content, but by ideas (or the exploration of them). You could replace the lightsabers with claymores, the space ships with horses and the alien creatures with goblins or whatever, and still convey the central themes of Star Wars - classic good vs evil, almost wild-west/fuedal Japan stuff, with nothing deeply philsophical or scientific at all. It's not about aesthetics, but about whats at the core, and the core of Star Wars is fantasy. It might have futuristic props but then Spaceballs has those things you mentioned and I doubt many people would consider that Sci-fi.

Whereas Blade Runner, for example, is pure sci-fi because it takes a concept (human nature), an idea (whether something sythentic can be 'human'), and creates a fictional setting to explore those things. Yes, Star Wars might have a bit of religion and a smidgen of politcs, but they aren't really integral to it.

I think you're right, though, that sci-fi and fanatsy are not mutually exclusive and that films can be both, but I'm not saying that sci-fi has to be highbrow at all. Planet of the Apes is very lowbrow but I'd say it is still definitely sci-fi.
I get some of your points but to the vastttttttttt majority of people Star Wars is sci-fi. This is why us gamers/sci fi fans get a bad rep because of stuff like the above !
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Not that i watch kiddie cartoons but i wouldnt say its aimed at purely under 11's. Like i say some of the violence etc wouldnt happen otherwise. I think its very watchable, its great getting this 20 minute episode every week and it expands on some of the bit characters from films etc.

But fair enough if you dont like it, i cant stand Harry Potter i must admit. And i'm sure many people will say 'arent computer games for kids ?'.

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Post by Antiriad2097 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:11 pm

che_don_john wrote:To me, science fiction isn't determined by content, but by ideas (or the exploration of them).
That may be what you find interesting, but its not what defines sci-fi.

Spaceballs is absolutely sci-fi by the way ;)
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Post by jdanddiet » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:16 pm

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Post by Haabermaaster » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:19 pm

che_don_john wrote:
Antiriad2097 wrote:
che_don_john wrote:Star Wars is not science fiction
This negates everything else in your argument ;)

Of course its sci fi. It has two Death Stars with technical weaknesses for starters. Laser swords, space ships, alien creatures - all sci fi trappings.
How does that negate everything else in my argument?! I think I qualified that statement pretty well! To me, science fiction isn't determined by content, but by ideas (or the exploration of them).
There was a massive debate on some Sci-Fi (yes, I still use that term, you'll see why momentarily) forums a few years ago.

Science Fiction readers and viewers were constantly getting harassed by people shouting out anything with a spaceship as being Sci-Fi (which, fundamentally, it is) For all their talk of Harlan Ellison all it took was somebody chiming in with Ewoks to make blood boil! :lol:

So, they kind of came to an uneasy compromise. Sci-Fi and SF. Sci-Fi was everything mainstream and fantastic whereas SF was the dedicated stuff. The stuff that che_don_john talks about. Both have their place, and it was just a faintly elitist way to differentiate between the two subjects within the genre.

I personally still use the term Sci-Fi because it's just what it is. We're all adult enough to differentiate without conforming to subheadings anyway! :lol:

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Post by Liamh1982 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:42 am

^ At least you don't spell it Syfy - whose stupid bloody decision was that to rename the channel?

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Post by resident paul » Wed May 04, 2011 6:29 pm

Full Star Wars: The Complete Saga Blu-ray Details + release on the 12th September

Link: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=77173

"NEW! STAR WARS ARCHIVES: EPISODES IV-VI

- Including: deleted, extended and alternate scenes; prop, maquette and costume turnarounds; matte paintings and concept art; supplementary interviews with cast and crew; and more!"

That's I wanna see after all this time! :D
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Post by James A » Thu May 05, 2011 3:36 am

resident paul wrote:Full Star Wars: The Complete Saga Blu-ray Details + release on the 12th September

Link: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=77173

"NEW! STAR WARS ARCHIVES: EPISODES IV-VI

- Including: deleted, extended and alternate scenes; prop, maquette and costume turnarounds; matte paintings and concept art; supplementary interviews with cast and crew; and more!"

That's I wanna see after all this time! :D
I honestly don't know if i can justify getting these. Ive got the six Star Wars movies on DVD and i hardly watch them. Same thing goes for the LOTR special editions coming out on Blu Ray except that i don't really have four hours to watch a film in the evening.
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Post by psj3809 » Thu May 05, 2011 3:39 am

I'll be getting these for sure, price isnt too bad, fair few extras i want to see and get. The fans have been asking about these for ages so i'm glad Lucas and co are finally going to release them. Just wish the live action series will see the light of day at some point

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Post by Liamh1982 » Thu May 05, 2011 6:22 am

There's one thing you know won't be there of course...

If I give you the initials H & S...

You know where I'm going with this...

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Post by Dennoman » Thu May 05, 2011 11:53 am

Just release a tech demo of the pod racing scenes in 3D. They were the only good thing about this pile of dreck anyway.
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Post by Antiriad2097 » Thu May 05, 2011 12:52 pm

Dennoman wrote:Just release a tech demo of the pod racing scenes in 3D. They were the only good thing about this pile of dreck anyway.
This isn't the thread you're looking for.

You can go about your business.

Move along.

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