Is it time to start screening profiles........

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Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by Sir Hilary Bray » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:27 am

before the members are allowed to post?


The amount of spam on here lately is shocking.

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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by thevulture » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:15 am

Reported a lot of spam on here of late, but there's stacks of it going around on good few other sites as well, sadly.Guess time of the year also a factor.

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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by TMR » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:36 am

Sir Hilary Bray wrote:before the members are allowed to post?
That has two glaring issues, firstly it generates a lot more work for the moderators when every single user on a board that gets about five a day and has over 5,000 in total. Secondly, how do you actually vet a user who hasn't posted anything? Yes, you could limit it so that everybody's first post has to go through the mods, but again that'll swamp them considering the take-up rate for this board.

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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by FatTrucker » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:43 am

Since most of it comes from Spam shops with actual people rather than bots then automatic filtering software can only go so far. Most of these accounts don't have anything specifically incriminating upon creation so wouldn't get killed by profiling anyway, the spam links or posts often come later after an account has sat dormant for a few hours/days/weeks.

However, I always check the IP for the 'newest registered user' displayed at the bottom of the main page and if it originates from one of the usual suspect nations I do keep an eye and check what they've posted as soon as they post. Obviously I'm not here 24/7 so don't catch it all immediately, but all spam is gone within 24 hours of being reported and all spam accounts get a username and IP ban. This method can be effective as on a number of occasions I've been online as the spammer starts posting and killed the account and IP before they've finished posting.

The thing is, how far do we want to impede people from joining and using the site?, in order to keep everything readily and globally accessible then it really needs to be done this way. Over at Jamma+ users are restricted from posting in most boards until they hit a post limit, its very effective and perfect for a specialist site that has a small userbase and generally attracts new members by invitation rather than at random, however how many long standing users here that found RG via the mag or Web, might have left if when they signed up they couldn't access anything other than the Off Topic board?.

The only really viable option would be to put something on the backend that automatically knocks back any request from IP's originating from certain parts of the world. Thing is where do you draw the line?, is it right (or even legal) to discriminate about where people can sign up and post from?.

Keep using those report buttons folks.
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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by will2097 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:20 am

When people register do they get asked a question? Something like "Which game manufacturer does Sonic the Hedgehog represent?" "Which is the best Retro Gaming Magazine?"

Something any person actually intending to join will answer correctly but the people working in the spam mines won't have clue about.

Worked for us.

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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by RMLF » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:36 am

Yay way to go, lets make a niche site, more elitist by adding stuff to make it harder for those getting into retro gaming, because people cant be bothered to ignore or report spam posts.

"Welcome to the club lads and lasses! We have already registered so we are alright, jack."

Its hardly a chored to click the report button when they appear. and its not as if they swamp the boards either

The mods do a fine job and at present I feel its okay. you can spot a spam post a mile off, dont click them if they offend you that much
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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by will2097 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:40 am

Ralph Milne's Left Foot wrote:Yay way to go, lets make a niche site, more elitist by adding stuff to make it harder for those getting into retro gaming, because people cant be bothered to ignore or report spam posts.

"Welcome to the club lads and lasses! We have already registered so we are alright, jack."

Its hardly a chored to click the report button when they appear. and its not as if they swamp the boards either

The mods do a fine job and at present I feel its okay. you can spot a spam post a mile off, dont click them if they offend you that much
f**k me. It was just a suggestion, not a political statement. Get soap box for christmas did we? Seems higher than the old one. ;)

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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by RMLF » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:51 am

will2097 wrote:
Ralph Milne's Left Foot wrote:Yay way to go, lets make a niche site, more elitist by adding stuff to make it harder for those getting into retro gaming, because people cant be bothered to ignore or report spam posts.

"Welcome to the club lads and lasses! We have already registered so we are alright, jack."

Its hardly a chored to click the report button when they appear. and its not as if they swamp the boards either

The mods do a fine job and at present I feel its okay. you can spot a spam post a mile off, dont click them if they offend you that much
f**k me. It was just a suggestion, not a political statement. Get soap box for christmas did we? Seems higher than the old one. ;)

Nah, Im just bored of the insular looking nature of Retro gaming currently and that (generalised) everyone is so paranoid that someone is going to pee on their bonfire, or steal their position in the Retro gaming hierarchy, that every one is cranky and under suspicion.

Rather than take the whole thing and embrace it, people are more concerned with scoring little points off each other "iam the best, most knowledgable, most important gumpf " "Someone is invading my safe space." * Look at me! Iam Important, look what I can do and so on"

So I'm just cutting out the BS and saying it how I see it. if that narks some people then it narks some people.. Im not playing that game anymore
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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by The Angry Jock » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:11 am

Ralph Milne's Left Foot wrote:or steal their position in the Retro gaming hierarchy
Have I missed something? There's a hierarchy?
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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by RMLF » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:22 am

The Angry Jock wrote:
Ralph Milne's Left Foot wrote:or steal their position in the Retro gaming hierarchy
Have I missed something? There's a hierarchy?
Some people seem to have the notion that there is. Somehow these people are 'apparently' better or are more influential than others and their opinion holds more sway that everyone else's and allows them to deign to criticise others because of lack of knowledge, understanding or whatever.

Its apparent on many different forums, not just this one if I get time, I'll do a proper state of play as how I see it, not like it matters as Im not important but it does invite direct comparisons with an unusual community as the disagreements are as polarising and there is trivial sniping and a percieved hierarchy when ultimately it doesnt matter.
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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by thevulture » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:31 am

This site is a lot better for people not replying to spam, just reporting it. Spam is a pain, but part n parcel of the internet.Fook me amount my email accounts get makes RG site look like paradise at times.

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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by TMR » Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:17 am

FatTrucker wrote:The thing is, how far do we want to impede people from joining and using the site?, in order to keep everything readily and globally accessible then it really needs to be done this way.
That's the million dollar question right there; the average person doesn't like signing up to forums in the first place so making things more difficult for them risks scaring away new posters.
FatTrucker wrote:The only really viable option would be to put something on the backend that automatically knocks back any request from IP's originating from certain parts of the world. Thing is where do you draw the line?, is it right (or even legal) to discriminate about where people can sign up and post from?.
It's legally okay because posting to the RG forum isn't a right as such, denying it to groups of people based on general criteria like location when said location is known for spamming shouldn't be an issue. i'd agree that it isn't right morally, of course.

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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by Mayhem » Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:37 am

More than one forum I'm on now prevents anyone from joining if they use one of the free email provider hosts (Hotmail, Yahoo, GMail etc). Extreme? Quite possibly, but you see bugger all spam I'll admit.
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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by psj3809 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:05 am

Jesus talk about ott! Whats all this rubbish about elitism?

Someone simply asked about all the spam.

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Re: Is it time to start screening profiles........

Post by thevulture » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:28 am

Asked some friends of mine, very much into thier gaming why they never joined any forums, usual answers seem to be along lines of:1)What's the point? Before long Flame war or Trolling happens, who wants to be involved with that? (C+VG forum came up several times).2)Not interested.3)Nahhh, rather spend time on facebook and 4)Been there, done that, got bored. Spam is'nt an issue as far as putting folks off (after all it's harmless.Nor is signing up, as you have to sign up in order to create say E.A/PSN/XBL account.Forum no more of a hassle than anything else, in order to get started.Lot of people say they've given up even buying the magazines as 'net supplies all the news, reviews etc they need.

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