will2097 wrote: Ferret Oxide wrote:
- People with degrees in History.
Because it's a pointless waste of tax payers money. I appreciate there is a need for historians, preserving history is important, but anyone with only a degree is history is clearly only going to Uni 'for the experience' with no intention whatsoever of getting a job afterwards, and they always end up civil servants. Failed Physicists end up in I.T, failed historians end up in the civil service. If you genuinely think history is important enough to warrant a qualification, and people are passionate about it, it should be a PhD or nothing. They should limit the number of people studying subjects like History. Religious Education is another, English Lit is another... They are degrees made exclusively for pretentious middle class twits who want to spend three years drunk, knobbing everything in sight with no intention or vision of getting a job at the end of it.
There are plenty of kids who now can't afford to go to Uni who want to do vocational degree's and can't...
Erm, That's slightly weird.
Iam going to stand up to this bastion of inequity, for I have a degree in history, well half of it
Basically, what you have said is hokum. If you really wanted to you could apply that to many of the subjects that are offered at degree level. Replace History with 'subject x' and away you go. History encompasses massive amounts of subject matter and is required in some places as part of Art Degrees where history modules have to be taken, or Archeology where the two subjects go hand in hand. So there are at least two practical subjects where history is required to aid their development there are more. 'But that is not a plain 'History' degree!' I hear you cry.
There is no such thing as a plain history degree. I concentrated on Sports History, Historiography, European History (the long century) and History of film (went hand in hand with my other subject),
These were all useful and have practical uses. at various points in life Ive wanted to be a journalist, an archivist, a researcher and a teacher. The above modules allow insight into all of those. Take the history of sport as an example.
Whilst 'doing' Sports History much of the time was spent going through archives and various other areas of direct research for things such as an essay on the history of Boxing and the development of Boxing in the regions in the UK.
In effect, the essay was a social history of the rise of boxing in the UK going from fair prize fighting to the formation of the BBBC and variations in between, its a field where there wasnt massive amounts of research done at the time especially at local level on the rise of boxing clubs and the spread of boxing as a sport and if I had more time there was easily enough material to write a thesis/paper on this and was considered ok or better would have likely been published (instant Post-grad degree
) I happened to be doing this during a time when the Football Museum was being set up as well and would have loved to have become a researcher to help them ( essays on localised football, fan power and so on also expanded on this).
So on the Sports History front allowed for experience in researching, archival retrieval, gain some teaching experience (through the 2 hour seminar I had to give on the same subject).
If I had a decent writing style or the inclination then, could have expanded further into books/ or published articles and stuff but that would have been had I had the inclination to do as a follow on. I didnt. So thats a career as an author as well that was a possibility.
Looking at just one of the facets of study, it is clear that it isnt just a middle class junket to letters after your name a few shags and a censored up or a nothing degree. I wasn't middle class before I did my degree, but have become so by proxy as have one despite being just above the poverty line.
It's a shame with so many people now doing degrees that they are practically worthless ( employers used to seek out specifically graduates as a sign of quality, but the market is awash with that many people with degrees, it has devalued their worth in the workplace ) and that the major part of the unemployed in the country are young people aged 18-25. Its this reason why so many are in office jobs, stacking shelves or whatever. Being utterly skint doesnt help. Using me as an example again I had no choice other than to get a job doing whatever after I finished University I couldnt sit and wait for a job in my chosen fields to come up nor, afford to stay on and do further education as and where needed. The plan was to work somewhere until inital debts were paid off so could do back and do the relevant follow up training. Life and a variety of disasters got in the way.
Anecdotally, of the people I went to University with, stories like that arent uncommon, with only one person that Iam aware of actually doing what they studied to do and that's Microbiology, Others did Law, Management, Human Resources, Social Work and a variety of other practical degrees none are in employment in their specialist fields
So regarding your views on useless History and 'other' degrees I say your dead wrong.