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Re: Today

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:58 pm
by felgekarp
sscott wrote:On school trip in Switzerland at the moment to see Large hadron collider amongst other things.
When I was at school we went on a trip to see a water wheel and a cobbler, how times have changed!

Re: Today

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:14 am
by ALK
Today I had the crap scared out of me.

I saw a car collision happened then a mother carrying her child who nearly got hit ran towards me yelling "Oh my god, oh my god, call an ambulance, my son has epilepsy!!!" and just her yells alone are running through my head in an haunting way and I was pretty much shaking in shock.

The ambulance arrived and took them away but after I got home, it took awhile to finally calm down from the shock.

Re: Today

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:45 pm
by shiftytigger
Today I finally registered into the ranks of the unemployed.

Already I can feel the soul crushing pressure put on people to maintain a morale destroying regime of mandatory jobsearching that is nigh on possible to maintain after 1 day. Every step of your plan has a reminder that failure to comply will result in a loss of 'benefits'.

This is part of the reason I've stayed off the radar since my job ended in October. Ive been looking for work all that time , been for only one interview from the entire time and heard back from no others. If someone actively choosing to do this of their own volition , in all their own time , cant find work from trying - how the hell is holding the scythe of doom over my life and benefits going to make a difference other than to push people into desperate measures? It's not like the jobmatch site is actually helpful and being all but railroaded into using that is no incentive. That site is full of fake jobs/expired crap and jobs that no human in their right mind should go for. Yet they aim to get me into (any old job they can crowbar me into) work within a month? Still that or a sanction or two will help improve their unemployment figures.

I cant lift any weight with my right arm , have limited reach and rotation with that joint and food retail is also out.

Add to that , the advisor is blatantly not actually listening to my concerns about my qualifications and change of career ideas.

Utterly utterly dismal and crushing experience - anyone who thinks claiming and maintaining a claim is easy needs to take a look at the system as it is now.

I sincerely hope I can avoid this entire farcical scheme and tell them to stick it some time soon.

Re: Today

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:46 pm
by ALK
^They stopped my claim throughout December because apparently, spending a week to have pest control come round to exterminate a certain kind of critters while moving everything from the upstairs to down then back again the moment they finish is considered a "luxury" in the job centre's eyes. Just today I got my letter about their decision as I tried to appeal it and they won't change their minds.

Really feel for you since they do treat us like scum no matter how much effort we put towards finding work. :(

Re: Today

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:09 pm
by shiftytigger
I knew my fixed term contract was ending so I saved some money to live off for a while after I left , I really wish I could have stayed off the radar - its oppressive and stressful.

I know there are lots of others similarly put upon and I cant help but despair for those who are struggling under the constant pressure of sanctions and enforced jobsearch. Forcing the whole lot down on you does not make new genuine jobs appear as frequently as they seem to believe.

I never understood what pushes people to suicide etc until yesterday and its saddening that this system shows no sign of improving. It really is social cleansing under a polite banner.

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:55 am
by Antiriad2097
<Sigh>

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:23 am
by RodimusPrime
shiftytigger wrote:I knew my fixed term contract was ending so I saved some money to live off for a while after I left , I really wish I could have stayed off the radar - its oppressive and stressful.

I know there are lots of others similarly put upon and I cant help but despair for those who are struggling under the constant pressure of sanctions and enforced jobsearch. Forcing the whole lot down on you does not make new genuine jobs appear as frequently as they seem to believe.

I never understood what pushes people to suicide etc until yesterday and its saddening that this system shows no sign of improving. It really is social cleansing under a polite banner.

The system has got very harsh in the last few years, and its due to the sheer amount of people taking the censored.

But TBH I thought that the first 6 months was usually fairly relaxed due to it being either income or contribution based. ( can't remember which one it is that you go onto for the first 6 months )

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:35 am
by shiftytigger
I did wonder whatever happened to the contribution based system. There is no relaxed as far as i can tell and if there is a way of swinging the lead , I cant see it and its never been my style.

Sadly those who want a job seem to be treated exactly the same as those who don't give a fk - equality isn't always good.

Even funnier when she told me there were jobs available doing what she (my 'advisor') does , if I thought I could do it. I politely declined ,felt like mentioning that I still hadnt sold my soul for food just yet , but I'd bear it in mind.

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:39 am
by Antiriad2097
First 13 weeks is usually fairly easy going as long as you don't take the mick and are making some effort to find work, and the Jobseeker's Agreement should reflect that. Most people find work in this time.

Once you get beyond 13 weeks things tighten up and more attention is paid, either because the effort isn't there, or some help is needed.

Working in the jobcentre is decent enough until you meet a grumpy old pessimist who only sees you as some sort of demon out to get them.

Swinging the lead? Easy. Do what it says on the Jobseeker's Agreement.

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:22 am
by DPrinny
Fhank tuck ive got a job

Well unless the rumours about the uni laying off staff due to lack of funding from both EU grants and overseas students (thanks Brexit, if I lose my job ill blame you guys)

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:19 am
by shiftytigger
The Universal Credit system agreement pretty much nails you into a corner straight away. And yes I am a grumpy old pessimist - try looking at a UC agreement and remaining positive. I've been told failure to comply will result in loss of benefit - which means no food/rent etc - with immediate effect. Which is bad enough but I wouldnt actually get anything till march 5th anyway , so 1 failure could stop me in my tracks.

According to my commitment I have to :

- Apply for vacancies I'm TOLD TO by my adviser (infinite scope for abuse right there and the wording itself is hardly helpful) ,
- Allow access by adviser to UJ despite reminding them it is both useless and proven to be filled with non existent and outdated jobs ,
- Take up offers of paid work I'm able to do ,
- Commit 35 hours of searching (the same old jobs over and over) per week ,
- Be available to take work at £7.20 min ph and working hours of up to 48 pw ,
- apply for and provide proof via the jobmatch travesty site ,
- register for several employment agencies ,
- visit local businesses and travel to other areas to look for work*
- attend 'workplace' 'meetings' *
- attend job interviews immediately *

*under my own funding , as i will not receive any payment until march (that is unless i fail to comply).

The goalposts are a real motivator thats for sure. Having the short term goal of taking any old sh1t through lack of choice and a long term goal you'll probably forget about because you're stuck in your dead end short term that you cant dare quit or become disheartened with. I would suggest everyone have a good.

As far as has ever been apparent , it is the advisers job (especially when you read that they can sanction you immediately for failing in one action alone - discretion is not obligatory) to exactly monitor for a single excuse to stop payments and this is evidenced by the statements following each required task , reminding you how much they will stop from you.


Put simply , as stated before - I have never been so pressured and stressed from any single job I have ever had. I applied for UC two days ago and already I've been made to feel like sh1t. This is exactly why I saved my own money to live off - so I could jobsearch and find work without having to rely on or live with the system that seems unevenly balanced against genuine jobseekers.

I have had few reasons in my life to have to fall back on the benefits and unemployment provisions and for that reason I consider myself very lucky indeed. Maybe that in itself has spoilt me a little , it seems sad that a system once intended to be a bit of support for those unlucky enough to be out of work while they get themselves back on their feet , now just seems another draconian measure to keep scum like me on my knees - despite the fair contributions I've paid into the system whilst luxuriating in my employment.

As for working there , I don't have the will to grind people down for trying , nor the unbiased view of the rest of the p1sstakers. Holding the right to stop someones money with my own actions is something I've had before (albeit in a different way) and it is a soul ripping trip out of your own humanity , one I would hesitate to ever take again.

I dont blame anyone for my circumstances , i Did all I could to cushion the blow of unemployment as I knew it approached , Much as I dont expect the world on a plate - just maybe I hoped to be back in work before I hit the sh1tstorm of Universal Credit.

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:53 am
by RodimusPrime
Just remember. unless there has been no change.

You can notify them of 2 week holiday twice a year I think, and to fill in a sick form for a certain amount of time and you are exempt from doing any search in that time.

Don't know if its changed but its ideal as you can usually wangle an extra 4 weeks break over the course of a year just to take a break from it.

May have changed though.

I went on for a short period inbetween jobs. I just applied for every job available. they don't care if you are applying for jobs you will never get. as long as you show them you are applying. I applied for an aircraft mechanical engineer, and pharmacy assistant despite having no qualifications.

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:57 am
by DPrinny
shiftytigger wrote:<Snip to save on page scrollingness>
Ive been there, wait till they get you on a "Work trail" where you will be working for an employer FOR FREE and things like travel and the possibility of a job at the end of it are not provided.

Or one of those back to work "courses" where you to will be put in an office for 8 hours and required to do job search all that time and only given a news paper as well as a computer to share among 15 other people (The designated minder gets one to there self to use on such things like Facebook and twitter)
There you WILL LEARN Employablity, how to look for a job, how to make a CV (only to be told its all wrong later)and that the windows are sealed shut to stop you from jumping out of them as death is better than purgatory
Only part of travel costs are given back

Or you might be one of the lucky ones that makes a carrier out of being jobless and ends up on Jeremy Kile or Befits street and blame all your problems on "Immigrants" while sharing Britain first posts on Facebook

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:57 am
by Antiriad2097
RodimusPrime wrote:they don't care if you are applying for jobs you will never get. as long as you show them you are applying. I applied for an aircraft mechanical engineer, and pharmacy assistant despite having no qualifications.
These latter shouldn't slip through, not unless there were enough other jobs you'd applied for that week that you could do.

As long as you are taking reasonable steps to find work, you should be fine (reasonable as in within the criteria of your agreement). Applying for stuff you're not qualified for just smells of mickey taking and wouldn't hold up if it went to sanction.

Be nice to JC staff and they might just be nice back. Go in there all misery and moans, you can guarantee they'll start paying closer attention to get rid of you. Still, there exist jobsworth's who'll scutinise everything and apply no common sense to your history or situation and grind you down. A decent advisor should be encouraging and helpful, the stick should only come out when it's really needed to crack down on those who consistently fail to adhere to requirements. Not entirely by the book, but human.

Re: Today

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:08 pm
by Megamixer
DPrinny wrote:Or one of those back to work "courses" where you to will be put in an office for 8 hours and required to do job search all that time and only given a news paper as well as a computer to share among 15 other people
I will never forget that. One of the grimmest things I have endured - made me feel like I was back at school except surrounded by loud, 'grown-up' dole veterans who clearly had no interest in finding a job. Worst part of it was exhausting the jobsearch websites within an hour (or less!) since most all post the same vacancies then being stuck in that sh1tty room for what felt like an eternity.

The job I'm currently in is depressing the hell out of me but it's full-time and pretty secure so I dare not risk jacking it in for somewhere else that might offer a "contract" that actually turns out to be "yeah we used you for a few months to clear a busy period now we'll let you go while you're within the probation period" type of deal.

I would rather lose my mind at my current workplace than risk going back to the jobseeking system.