Living on benefit is a lifestyle 'choice' for most of these people, don't let them tell you any different.
You make lots of very valid points FatTrucker, but I think that you are just plain wrong here - to say that people would choose to live on welfare, given any other option (Lifestyle choice
?) is missing the point that I was original making.
These people are lazy, they are dishonest, they are violent and all the rest, but they are only a product of their environment, and really don't realise that there are any other options for them.
Now you can say that you came from a disadvantaged environment and yet have managed to better yourself (same here), but you had other factors such as good parenting that helped in your favour. Many do not.
Sorry mate, but I'm not. As romantic as it might be to fiddle with the notion that these people are created by their environment and kept there by a confused Middle Class majority who misunderstand them is wrong.
I've worked with thousands
of these people over the years. In the main the one's I've dealt with who clearly choose to live on benefit do so because they don't want to have to get up and go out to work. There are tens of thousands of women, living on Income Support, having all their bills paid, all while having undeclared partners living there who are earning a living.
Large numbers of my families who were claiming income support enjoyed more frequent and better holidays than I did, had nicer homes and drove better cars.
We aren't talking about a corrupt few, the problem is absolutely epidemic. I don't say any of these things because of an avid belief in the Daily Mail and I don't disagree with you from an unconditional hatred of the Guardian, I back up the the things I know
from years and years of living and working in the middle of it and dealing with all of the associated support, care and criminal justice agencies that form the walls of the life they choose
If you offered most of them a job paying Â£50,000 a year, they would take it and work hard at it. However if you offered them the opportunity to work hard for more or less exactly what they are getting already they would tell you to f**k off. And that's not because of their environment, or their parents, or Mr Fortesque Smyth who lives in his 3 bed semi in the better part of town, its because they would rather sit and be fed than feed themselves.
The problem is almost exclusively caused by a welfare state that allows them to live a very comfortable life without working if that's what they choose to do. The fact that if you offered them enough of an incentive almost all of these people would suddenly, magically be able to break out of their social malaise kind of proves the point that its not the ability, or opportunity that holds them back, its just the will.