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Do you agree with the publication of crime-based games?

No, they should be banned.
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No, but they should be age regulated not banned.
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Yes, but they should be age regulated.
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Yes, and they should be unregulated.
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Do you agree with the publication of crime-based games?

Post by GarryG » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:39 am

I don’t want to replicate the whole ‘Manhunt 2 Debate’ thread here, but I would be interested in your answers to the following poll:

My definition of crime-based games is, a game that has an unlawful activity, as it’s central theme, where breaking the law is required in order to advance in and complete the game.


If you think they should be regulated, would you base this on violence content only?
How do you quantify violence content in a driving game?
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Post by Antiriad2097 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:42 am

I vote to keep them, but to tighten up the regulations for minors playing them. I'd also advocate an 18+ 'anything goes' rating.

Then I'd also apply it to books. Especially The Bible.
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Post by djcarlos » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:45 am

Tricky one this.

I think they should be allowed but age-regulated, however....

How do you allow for games like Splinter Cell, MGS etc. ?

Breaking and entering, murder (we're not in a war scenario), breaking international treaties and conventions etc.

It's a big old field, crime.
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Post by GarryG » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:11 am

djcarlos wrote:It's a big old field, crime.
I agree, hence the question...

I think espionage and covert-ops, dark/black-ops spy type games can be classed as 'war' so are an entirely different subject and not what I'm thinking about here.

Also anything with a heavy sci-fi or supernatural horror based element should be excluded.


I'm not saying all games are cut-and-dry fit into ether category, e.g. wher does 'The Suffering' fit?

But this isn't about, games that don't fit...
I just like a honest answer to the question, regarding the games that defenetly do fit.
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Post by Vir_Lucis » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:19 am

Yes, anything goes, but age-regulated.
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Post by Antiriad2097 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:39 pm

GarryG wrote:I think espionage and covert-ops, dark/black-ops spy type games can be classed as 'war' so are an entirely different subject and not what I'm thinking about here.
So we're back to your definition of right and wrong being the one that counts? Its ok to kill, provided you're doing a good and righteous thing and not just invading for the oil? War is rarely clear cut. Especially if you're on the wrong end of it.
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Post by bonerlaw » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:43 pm

i think they are ok, as long as they contain some sort of action/ consequence ethic, not just games that try to make illegal activity seem ok!
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Post by GarryG » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:53 pm

Antiriad2097 wrote:So we're back to your definition of right and wrong being the one that counts?
Nop that was only my suggestion.
My personal definition of what I meant, not a definitive statement this time ;)
Antiriad2097 wrote:Its ok to kill, provided you're doing a good and righteous thing and not just invading for the oil? War is rarely clear cut. Especially if you're on the wrong end of it.
For the record I wouldn't say that war games are not necessarily killing for 'a good and righteous thing'.
This wasn't intended to be an genre ethics question.

Just didn't want to pollute the issue too much, as I want to know peoples opinions on crime games not war games, sci-fi killing or supernatural based horror...

I'm not saying killing anything in any game is wrong, my question isn't about 'killing' per-say...
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Post by sscott » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:32 pm

Ugh, not this censored again.

What if the main character has to steal to feed his starving family? zzzzzzzz

Who gives a sh1t.
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Post by GarryG » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:38 pm

garryg wrote:My definition of crime-based games is, a game that has an unlawful activity, as it’s central theme, where breaking the law is required in order to advance in and complete the game.

Do you agree with the publication of crime-based games?
sscott wrote:Ugh, not this censored again.

What if the main character has to steal to feed his starving family? zzzzzzzz

Who gives a sh1t.
It isn't a hard question.

I'm not interested in, in game, morals here! So your quote isn't relevant :roll:


As I said, it is not meant to be the Manhunter thread all over again.

It's a simple queston, that you shouldn't need to struggle with!!
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Post by sscott » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:43 pm

My problem with these threads is that no-one really listens to each other and no-one ever backs down. I'm cleverer than you, no your not, yes I am etc...
This word springs to mind.

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- Being showy of one’s knowledge, often in a boring manner.[/b]
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Post by C=Style » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:49 pm

I don't really "agree" with it and it all depends on the content of the game and how they are marketed. It also depends on the context of the game and how it presents itself. The GTA series have always kinda had this ironic, tongue-in-cheek vibe about them, never took themselves too serious, but I do think this undertone of humour would not be picked up on by a minor. So I think these games so long as they are properly regulated and classified then I see no problem personally.
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Post by Technomancer » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:35 pm

Define "agree". If you mean that I approve of them, then I do. I don't think there should be restrictions on the content of games. It's an artform like anything else and artistic freedom is a human right in my opinion.

I don't think it matters whether they are age regulated or not though, but I think they should be so parents can see what games they should keep away from the kids.
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Post by SirClive » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:41 pm

C=Style wrote:I don't really "agree" with it and it all depends on the content of the game and how they are marketed.
I really agree with it and it doesn't matter about the content of the game.

Though I do think Marketing needs to be controlled in some way.

Age Restrictions should be what they are, not just a pretty image on the box.
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Post by C=Style » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:34 pm

Technomancer wrote:Define "agree". If you mean that I approve of them, then I do. I don't think there should be restrictions on the content of games. It's an artform like anything else and artistic freedom is a human right in my opinion.

I don't think it matters whether they are age regulated or not though, but I think they should be so parents can see what games they should keep away from the kids.
So you feel as videogames are an "artform" they should be exempt from censorship? What about if a game included child porn or animal mutilation, is that ok too just because it's art?

Surely there has to be some boundaries, it's common sense (and decency).
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