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Post by Dudley » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:28 am

paranoid marvin wrote:
the problem for the shop assistant is that they probably won't keep their job very long if they start turning away people who buy games they suspect are going to be given to children

And on the other hand if I were to walk into Game with my son , and tried purchase MH2 for myself , and was told by the 17 year old shop assistant that I couldn't because he thought I was buying it for my son , I'd be pretty pissed off
Well, he's the one risking a 2 year prison sentence selling it to you. (assuming they simply extend the existing non-guardian law)

And fwiw, back in my days as manager, it was policy to support the employee always in ID requests for this very reason.

Of course in the world you want, you wouldn't be going into buy MH2 at all, because it's banned thanks to parents giving it to their kids.
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Post by paranoid marvin » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:52 pm

Dudley wrote:
paranoid marvin wrote:
the problem for the shop assistant is that they probably won't keep their job very long if they start turning away people who buy games they suspect are going to be given to children

And on the other hand if I were to walk into Game with my son , and tried purchase MH2 for myself , and was told by the 17 year old shop assistant that I couldn't because he thought I was buying it for my son , I'd be pretty pissed off
Well, he's the one risking a 2 year prison sentence selling it to you. (assuming they simply extend the existing non-guardian law)

And fwiw, back in my days as manager, it was policy to support the employee always in ID requests for this very reason.

Of course in the world you want, you wouldn't be going into buy MH2 at all, because it's banned thanks to parents giving it to their kids.

It's not the world I want , just the one we live in

There's no way you're going to be able to stop a kid from buying unsuitable games unless parents are better educated as to what risks ther children are left open to in the way that parents won't buy their kids cigarettes because they are aware of the side-effects.

The problem is , who's going to do the educating? Who would benefit? More importantly , who would pay for it? And would it actually work (it's taken decades to get people to accept the dangers of smoking for example)
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Post by Dudley » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:18 pm

None of which ultimately solves the problem that us normal people are once again punished because people can't be bothered to be a parent to their own crotch-droppings.
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Post by TMR » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:30 pm

Perhaps a boot up sequence... the game start off saying "please calibrate volume" really quietly, then shouts "this game is for over eighteens only, motherf**ker!" for 30 seconds and puts some hardcore porn up on the screen before it starts. At least some idiot parents might learn something. =-)

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Post by paranoid marvin » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:44 pm

Perhaps they should only release it on 'adult formats' like PC rather than kiddie ones lke the Wii? :wink:
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Post by TMR » Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:18 pm

paranoid marvin wrote:Perhaps they should only release it on 'adult formats' like PC rather than kiddie ones lke the Wii? :wink:
What about the Xbox 360 or PS3, are we going to declare them all to be kiddie formats...? The teenager next door has all three i think?

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Post by paranoid marvin » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:48 pm

TMR wrote:
paranoid marvin wrote:Perhaps they should only release it on 'adult formats' like PC rather than kiddie ones lke the Wii? :wink:
What about the Xbox 360 or PS3, are we going to declare them all to be kiddie formats...? The teenager next door has all three i think?
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Post by yethboth » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:28 pm

Looks like the BBFC are getting up to their old tricks again by dictating to grown adults on what they can and can't see. :( :x :(

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Post by ToxieDogg » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:58 pm

Obviously I'm not one to promote piracy but big news is at the moment that the uncut PAL version of Manhunt 2 has been leaked onto the 'net. (check Wikipedia and ProjectManhunt.com for more details).

Not sure if it's a hoax or not, but I saw some pretty convincing videos on YouTube (which have now been removed) of what seemed to be somebody playing it at home. A mate of mine is downloading the file at the moment so we'll soon know what the truth is, and either way I'll still import the US copy I've pre-ordered just so that I can safely say I've legally purchased it, even if I do end up playing an uncensored bootleg instead. :wink:

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Post by paranoid marvin » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:03 pm

ToxieDogg wrote:Obviously I'm not one to promote piracy but big news is at the moment that the uncut PAL version of Manhunt 2 has been leaked onto the 'net. (check Wikipedia and ProjectManhunt.com for more details).

Not sure if it's a hoax or not, but I saw some pretty convincing videos on YouTube (which have now been removed) of what seemed to be somebody playing it at home. A mate of mine is downloading the file at the moment so we'll soon know what the truth is, and either way I'll still import the US copy I've pre-ordered just so that I can safely say I've legally purchased it, even if I do end up playing an uncensored bootleg instead. :wink:
well it must have been 'out there' uncut for mags to review it - I'm just suprised it's taken this long to appear on the 'net
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Post by paranoid marvin » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:10 pm

The thing is , how many people who otherwise wouldn't contemplate downloading pirated software , will feel intrigued enough to do so for the first time in order that they can get to play this uncensored version.
And upon having done so once , think "Why not download other stuff I would otherwise have paid £40+ for?"
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Post by Dudley » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:49 am

ToxieDogg wrote:Obviously I'm not one to promote piracy but big news is at the moment that the uncut PAL version of Manhunt 2 has been leaked onto the 'net. (check Wikipedia and ProjectManhunt.com for more details).
It's real, but a very slightly unfinished version.

er... so I'm told.

It does finally put paid to the idiotic "They deliberately submitted dodgy material they never produced properly to get it banned for publicity" theory.
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Post by chewy » Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:01 am

I for one, want to be able to play it. I mean, I can watch the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and go out and buy a chainsaw, so whats to stop me cutting people to ribbons that way around?!? I'm an adult, and as such I'd like to be able to make my own decisions. I can see WHY they want to keep it out of the reach of minors, but if it's available as an import, where no ID is required, surely that's making it easier for little Timmy to get his grubby mits on it?
As a fan of the Punisher, I was dismayed that the game was censored, yet the comic books are readily available for anyone to buy despite the "Mature Readers Only" warning. It's one rule for one media, one rule for another. I bet you'll see at least one gratuitous boob shot in the Sun tomorrow, and then read about mothers up in arms over Hot Coffee mods again. :roll:

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Post by ToxieDogg » Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:47 am

paranoid marvin wrote:The thing is , how many people who otherwise wouldn't contemplate downloading pirated software , will feel intrigued enough to do so for the first time in order that they can get to play this uncensored version.
And upon having done so once , think "Why not download other stuff I would otherwise have paid £40+ for?"
I agree with you 100%, it's a real shame that it's had to comr down to piracy in order to see the content of the game as originally intended.

As I say, I'm importing an original copy from to US. I know that doesn't make me legally any better than the pirates if I still go ahead and play the bootleg but at least I can say that paid my whack to the industry to play it. I take the same stance with all pirate games, I only obtain them if I can't legally buy them through the normal channels (I don't consider having to pay extortionate prices for used goods to some con artist on EvilBay a 'normal' option either). In the case of Manhunt 2, I'm paying for the version they're releasing and just using the bootleg to see what they had to cut out, so I don't feel like I'm personally harming the industry in any way.

As it is, if the BBFC weren't a bunch of hypocrites, then we wouldn't be having this conversation now and I'd have a legally purchased PAL copy sitting on my shelf.

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Post by SirClive » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:19 am

Just read an excellent piece by Jonny Minkley about the hypocrisey of the BBFC in allowing David Cronenbergs new film and banning Manhunt 2.
Link to the article is here...
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=86102
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