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Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:19 pm
by pratty
killbot wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:13 pm
I have no problem with repros. They make it possible to buy games like Conker's Bad Fur Day or Turtles in Time without needing to raid my pension fund.

However, there are two caveats: firstly, the game must work. Particularly with battery-backed games, many of the repros don't offer the functionality of the original which makes them pretty much useless. Secondly, and this is the biggie, they must be SOLD as repros. It must be absolutely clear to the buyer what they're getting. People who try to pass off reproductions as original carts are basically fraudsters.
The problems are as you've highlighted. The quality of knockoff anything is usually substandard, if the game save isn't relaible for example then it's still a waste of money even it's cheaper than the real thing. And as many sellers don't know if a game is real or not they may not disclose that a knock off game is a copy. And since it's copyright infringement they're less likely to admit it's a copy if they do know, since there's nothing really to gain, only lose.

I think most people are probably guilty of breaching copyright for personal use to some degree here and there, but I don't think it's a healthy thing to normalise, especially making money from it, we wouldn't want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and all that.

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:36 pm
by DPrinny
In some cases the repro is for sale for more than the official one.
Lots of games that are cheap get repros.
Sonic on the MegaDrive?

TBH if somebody goes into it thinking they have the bargain of the century without knowing that it's a bootleg they are probably too dim to care.
People should look into things before spending the cash.
If you want to play it emulate or use a flash cart, sod having another shelf filler

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:26 pm
by Sega2006
I've got a few GBA carts I know are fake off the bat but for the most part it was just purely price vs not mattering if lost or chewed by my then tiny puppy.

They do occasionally search or at least have algorithims that do so as I got called up for selling a JD gift set on alcahol sale despite it saying multiple times there wasn't any in it and it still took the guy serveral minutes to read it which may have been due language barrier.

The problem with conterfiets from China is that its an actual sod to bring anyone to task there for it, even with big stuff like cars, so most of the copyright holders just don't bother trying.
All you can really do is learn what you are looking at, make sure there is an appropiate means for returns in place and check out feedback for the seller and tell tale signs i.e too good to be true price, random waffling and location messed with to flag as your country but then state China as the business address.

Certain goods,like memory cards e.t.c I personaly will only buy from a reputable trader, it may be a little more pricey but it guarentees that what arrives is exactly what it should be.

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:40 am
by rossi46
I've bought several Saturn repro titles. I do own several of the originals, but a couple I'm never going to own, simply because I don't believe there's any cd game worth £1500 and above. I don't mind paying 4.99 for a quality printed dvd case and printed cd version of a 20 year old Japan-only released game.

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:55 pm
by GarryG
I'm not condoning copywrite theft, but whare do you draw the line with 'worthless fakes' if I bough a Vectrex multicartridge from ebay for example, containing all the original games plus a lot of homebrew, that didn't violate any copywrites, would you call this a 'fake' cartridge because it isn't a original release?

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:26 am
by acidbottle
Recently been dragged into this world, proud owner of no fakes mainly because the games that I normally get are not or wont be faked, in general.

However purchase pokemon games recently and all seem legit but having a hard job deciding if my pokemon platinum box is faked. Its an EU version, has a holographic print on the front and back, not too in your face, also the red metallic shiny effect on the front, manual is top drawer to (if fake). It looks for the most part, word for word, spot on. My issue is with the inlay material, its not the normal glossy card used by nintendo, more stiff, closer to card and the white on the spine is more off white than all the other genuine DS games.

So, if anyone has a genuine copy, based on the description, can this be confirmed as a genuine or fake? Any help appreciated.

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:57 am
by English Invader
acidbottle wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:26 am
Recently been dragged into this world, proud owner of no fakes mainly because the games that I normally get are not or wont be faked, in general.

However purchase pokemon games recently and all seem legit but having a hard job deciding if my pokemon platinum box is faked. Its an EU version, has a holographic print on the front and back, not too in your face, also the red metallic shiny effect on the front, manual is top drawer to (if fake). It looks for the most part, word for word, spot on. My issue is with the inlay material, its not the normal glossy card used by nintendo, more stiff, closer to card and the white on the spine is more off white than all the other genuine DS games.

So, if anyone has a genuine copy, based on the description, can this be confirmed as a genuine or fake? Any help appreciated.
CEX have previous for using printed covers off the internet to pass off incomplete trade-ins as complete originals. You can spot them if you look for a CEX logo on the back of the paper with their hidden disclaimer.

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:13 pm
by learnedrobb
English Invader wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:57 am
acidbottle wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:26 am
Recently been dragged into this world, proud owner of no fakes mainly because the games that I normally get are not or wont be faked, in general.

However purchase pokemon games recently and all seem legit but having a hard job deciding if my pokemon platinum box is faked. Its an EU version, has a holographic print on the front and back, not too in your face, also the red metallic shiny effect on the front, manual is top drawer to (if fake). It looks for the most part, word for word, spot on. My issue is with the inlay material, its not the normal glossy card used by nintendo, more stiff, closer to card and the white on the spine is more off white than all the other genuine DS games.

So, if anyone has a genuine copy, based on the description, can this be confirmed as a genuine or fake? Any help appreciated.
CEX have previous for using printed covers off the internet to pass off incomplete trade-ins as complete originals. You can spot them if you look for a CEX logo on the back of the paper with their hidden disclaimer.
All reprint CEX labels now have a large "Reprinted Label" disclaimer in the top corner.

But they still charge full price.

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:41 pm
by ToxieDogg
learnedrobb wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:13 pm

But they still charge full price.
And that's where I have a huge issue with it, and people who condone it. I find it strange that if it was discovered that somebody was selling fake Rolex watches for the same price as real ones they'd be (rightfully) called out for it, but so many people are prepared to turn a blind eye to a high street store blatently selling a game with fake packaging for the exact same cost as the genuine article. For those of us who still buy and collect physical media, the genuine case/inlay/instructions are part of what we expect, not some obviously fake knockoff that a CEX employee has run off an Inkjet printer out back.

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:19 pm
by Megamixer
English Invader wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:57 am
acidbottle wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:26 am
Recently been dragged into this world, proud owner of no fakes mainly because the games that I normally get are not or wont be faked, in general.

However purchase pokemon games recently and all seem legit but having a hard job deciding if my pokemon platinum box is faked. Its an EU version, has a holographic print on the front and back, not too in your face, also the red metallic shiny effect on the front, manual is top drawer to (if fake). It looks for the most part, word for word, spot on. My issue is with the inlay material, its not the normal glossy card used by nintendo, more stiff, closer to card and the white on the spine is more off white than all the other genuine DS games.

So, if anyone has a genuine copy, based on the description, can this be confirmed as a genuine or fake? Any help appreciated.
CEX have previous for using printed covers off the internet to pass off incomplete trade-ins as complete originals. You can spot them if you look for a CEX logo on the back of the paper with their hidden disclaimer.
Reprinted covers won't have the shiny/metallic effect on them though - places like CEX would just print out a 'flat', non-metallic repro that would be unmissable as a fake in the instance of a Pokemon game.

A for the original question, I have a copy of Pokemon Diamond on DS that I bought new on release from the store. It too has a holographic insert and the spine is a bit off white (slightly darker than usual). I think that's just to do with the holographic effect which might have needed slightly different paper stock.

As for CEX, I don't even bother going in them anymore. The terrible customer service, dopey counter staff who are more interested in chatting and spinning your games around in their hands, and the horrendous smells have ensured that I won't give them another penny of my business.

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:51 am
by acidbottle
Cheers Megamixer for the confirmation, much appreciated.

Re: Ebay is flooded with repros. Can anything be done?

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:24 am
by learnedrobb
Megamixer wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:19 pm
English Invader wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:57 am
acidbottle wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:26 am
Recently been dragged into this world, proud owner of no fakes mainly because the games that I normally get are not or wont be faked, in general.

However purchase pokemon games recently and all seem legit but having a hard job deciding if my pokemon platinum box is faked. Its an EU version, has a holographic print on the front and back, not too in your face, also the red metallic shiny effect on the front, manual is top drawer to (if fake). It looks for the most part, word for word, spot on. My issue is with the inlay material, its not the normal glossy card used by nintendo, more stiff, closer to card and the white on the spine is more off white than all the other genuine DS games.

So, if anyone has a genuine copy, based on the description, can this be confirmed as a genuine or fake? Any help appreciated.
CEX have previous for using printed covers off the internet to pass off incomplete trade-ins as complete originals. You can spot them if you look for a CEX logo on the back of the paper with their hidden disclaimer.
Reprinted covers won't have the shiny/metallic effect on them though - places like CEX would just print out a 'flat', non-metallic repro that would be unmissable as a fake in the instance of a Pokemon game.

A for the original question, I have a copy of Pokemon Diamond on DS that I bought new on release from the store. It too has a holographic insert and the spine is a bit off white (slightly darker than usual). I think that's just to do with the holographic effect which might have needed slightly different paper stock.

As for CEX, I don't even bother going in them anymore. The terrible customer service, dopey counter staff who are more interested in chatting and spinning your games around in their hands, and the horrendous smells have ensured that I won't give them another penny of my business.
Re: CEX and the service/smells etc. Can't say this is an issue at either of my local branches.

It seems to have become "accepted wisdom" that all CEX stores are smelly, nasty places with idiot staff, even if they aren't. Not that I'm saying there aren't branches that could do with some staff training and a good clean down, but there are plenty that are not.