The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by outdated_gamer » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:05 pm

icemann wrote:
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When you look back the PC for the 80s was ignored by many in favor of the Amiga and other computer variants. Then along came the 90s and everything changed.
To be fair, the Amiga did beat the IBM PC somewhat in the 80s, as a gaming and content creation platform. IBM PC didn't become big until the mid 90s, but once it became big, it pushed all other computer platforms to the wayside, with a possible exception being the Apple Mac, which kept on existing in it's own niche.

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by outdated_gamer » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:10 pm

Matt_B wrote:
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icemann wrote:
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One thing I'd ask is why the PC is never included in such polls? Its just as valid as the others.
It was included and is ranked at number 16.

There are also a few home computers ranked individually - including the Amiga, C64 and Spectrum - that may fall into the realms of PCs depending upon how you define it. Still, this is mostly a console oriented forum and I'd think that the poll reflects that.
PC is short for "Personal Computer", the Amiga, C=64 and Spectrum are all "Personal Computers". Perhaps one reason why the vague "PC" name remained for the IBM X86 platform is because it was harder to describe than the other platforms due to being more open-ended in it's design, where different manufacturers could make hardware and software for it. It being the most popular home and business computer platform post 90s also played a role here, I reckon.

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by Antiriad2097 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:17 am

Sort of. The 8 and 16 bit computers tended more towards the 'home computer' moniker (at least in the UK), where IBM labelled theirs the 'Personal Computer' and it seemed to stick for it and all the clones that followed. A bit like Mac covering a whole heap of systems across several generations, it just defined the OS. Home computers covered everything, but if you mentioned PC, then we knew it was DOS/Windows you were on about.
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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by outdated_gamer » Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:21 pm

Yeah, "home computer" was the more popular name, but if you look at the Amiga 1000 box, it says quite clearly "Personal Computer" on it. Not that it really matters, though, the thing that matters is that there used to be a lot more variety and competition when it came to computers in the 80s and 70s, but it all came down to basically just Windows PCs and Apple Macs (not mentioning specific workstations) and the portable platforms like smartphones and tablets.

It must also be said that while the "IBM compatible" PC is a open platform where any company can make hardware and software for it, we can see a clear market share lead of some producers, so much that the term "Wintel" was coined. And while other hardware and software environments like AMD and Linux have more market share nowadays, they still have a lot of catching up to do (especially Linux, which is still super niche, despite all the efforts to make it more common).

Several PC hardware firms also make products for game consoles and various other fields, including cars, workstations, super computers, render farms, and so on.

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by Matt_B » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:10 pm

Yeah, personal computer is a generic term that dates back to the 1950s. Much like most of the technology inside, it's not a term that IBM had any intellectual ownership of and it's only through market domination that it became synonymous with a machine that ran DOS, and later Windows, with an Intel CPU.

People were certainly much freer with the term in the 1980s though. Even the PC in PC Engine also stands for "personal computer", because NEC at the time were dominating the Japanese home computer market with their PC-88 series and wanted to piggyback that branding. So, I guess that means PC made the list twice. :)

In recent years the pendulum seems to have swung the other way too and people are unironically referring to things like the Raspberry Pi and the iPad as PCs despite having neither an Intel-compatible CPU or running Windows.

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Re: The Greatest Games Systems Of All Time

Post by outdated_gamer » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:52 pm

Matt_B wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:10 pm
In recent years the pendulum seems to have swung the other way too and people are unironically referring to things like the Raspberry Pi and the iPad as PCs despite having neither an Intel-compatible CPU or running Windows.
PS2 with Linux was technically also a "PC", since it had all the features a PC running a Linux environment would, albeit limited by the hardware constrains (especially the small 32 MB system memory).

Xbox One is basically a Windows 10 PC too, just with more limited features compared to it's computer counterpart.

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