Amiga vs ST

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Which was better?

Amiga
36
80%
ST
8
18%
Other
1
2%
 
Total votes: 45

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Treguard » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:18 am

Most people I knew had the Amiga, we had the 500+ ourselves. I loved it, still my favourite computer of all time and the one if I had to pick only one machine to play for the rest of time that I would choose. Only guy I know who had an ST kept it in his shed for some reason, we used to go round and play on it sometimes. My most vivid memory of it was that it had different player data on Champ 93-94 than the Amiga version, that and the ST version of Damocles played better than the Amiga version.

I just love the Amiga, me.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Sephiroth81 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:58 am

Amiga. Such a massive step up from the C64. Only knew one person with an ST and never tried it at the time, but more recently have with emulation, and there are some pretty great games on it, but the Amiga clinches it with its overall superiority it audio and graphics and games selection.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by PostieDoc » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:40 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:I owned an STFM and an STE. For gaming, the Amiga was better. Neither is particularly good though, there's only a select few games that stand the test of time, most have dated horribly.

I never got on with the Amiga Workbench though, I much preferred the STs GEM interface and apps, it was much more consistent.
Complete tosh, there are plenty of games that are still great fun to play today from both systems.

I voted Amiga simply because it is the better system. I stayed with my cousin in Australia for a couple of months in 1992 and he had an ST.
There was nothing wrong with it, it just wasn't as good as my Amiga I had left back in England.

I'm also curious why there is an option to vote other in an Amiga vs ST thread?

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Antiriad2097 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:09 am

PostieDoc wrote:
Antiriad2097 wrote:I owned an STFM and an STE. For gaming, the Amiga was better. Neither is particularly good though, there's only a select few games that stand the test of time, most have dated horribly.
Complete tosh, there are plenty of games that are still great fun to play today from both systems.
In your opinion.

Going back to most of the 'games' I played back then, I wonder where the gameplay is. As I said, there's a select few that hold up, e.g. Cannon Fodder, but there's an awful lot of demo material going on, showcasing potential that isn't quite realised. Quite often what was masked by at the time cutting edge audiovisuals is now terribly dated, since the low fidelity clipped samples and now rough artwork don't capture the attention for the right reasons any more, leaving mediocre games.
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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Sephiroth81 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:37 am

You're both entitled to your opinion, but I agree with PostieDoc. I think Amiga games have aged very well, with it being quite a 2D powerhouse. Love playing Amiga games to this day on winuae, and the multiplatform games would often stand out on Amiga compared to other ports.

I think many of us could come up with a fairly big list of Amiga games that they enjoy playing to this day. I know I could.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by RodimusPrime » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:27 am

The Amiga was fantastic for scertain games and could do things that the consoles could not such as Monkey island, Football manager etc/

But I would have to take issue with it being called a 2D powerhouse. It struggled to shift detailed sprites smoothly and fast around the screen. in Fact "d action games were the one are it let itself down.

For everything else it had some fantastic games.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Matt_B » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:48 am

It was a 2D powerhouse by 1985 standards, albeit somewhat less of one by 1993.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Sephiroth81 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:58 am

RodimusPrime wrote:The Amiga was fantastic for scertain games and could do things that the consoles could not such as Monkey island, Football manager etc/

But I would have to take issue with it being called a 2D powerhouse. It struggled to shift detailed sprites smoothly and fast around the screen. in Fact "d action games were the one are it let itself down.

For everything else it had some fantastic games.
All machines had weaknesses, but it was pre 3D era, so most games were 2D and looked and feel pretty good to this day (as they weren't 8 bit which have aged).

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Antiriad2097 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:05 am

Weirdly, I think many 8 bit games haven't aged as badly as most Amiga games, though that's system dependent to some extent. The 8 bits couldn't rely so much on flashy graphics and audio so the core gameplay and handling had to feel right, which is where the miggy often goes wrong for me. The early ST/Amiga games didn't show off the capabilities so much but tended to be fairly basic, while the later games don't compare so well against the other 16 bit systems which had the advantage of coming a few years later. Its an uncomfortable middle ground with the ST/Amiga.
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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by RodimusPrime » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:17 am

in terms of Arcade ports the Amiga was woefully lagging behind, they looked bad and played even worse. A 2D powerhouse it most certainly was not.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Matt_B » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:27 am

RodimusPrime wrote:in terms of Arcade ports the Amiga was woefully lagging behind, they looked bad and played even worse. A 2D powerhouse it most certainly was not.
I think the mistake there was playing ports, as the hardware was just too different from most consoles and arcade boards. To see it at its best you really needed to play games that were written for it from the ground up.

About the only machine the Amiga got good ports from was the ST, although there are some PC ones that worked out surprisingly well too.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by necronom » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:46 am

outdated_gamer wrote:the debate which was the better machine is still on-going today by retro computer-heads.
Is it? I never really thought there was much debate, as the Amiga WAS the better machine, but the ST was cheaper. It was just a case of how much you wanted to spend. The ST was to the Amiga, what the Spectrum was to the C64; cheaper and less technically impressive because of that. The only difference to that is that the Amiga is VERY similar, whereas the Spectrum and C64 were VERY different.
English Invader wrote:I love the way I can copy a program from a magazine disk onto the ST hard drive and then take the SD card over to my PC and run the program on an emulator (how many other systems offer such seamless transition of old media?).
Most of the main retro machines I have do that.

Yesterday I pulled a card out of my Amiga, booted up my Amiga 1200 into WinUAE on my PC, copied some files to it from the internet, copied some others from the card to my PC, then put it back in my Amiga.

I can also copy files to my C64s, Vic 20, and VCS with an SD card.

It's only my Sinclair machines that don't have a card, though you can get them for the Spectrum.
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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by English Invader » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:15 pm

necronom wrote:
English Invader wrote:I love the way I can copy a program from a magazine disk onto the ST hard drive and then take the SD card over to my PC and run the program on an emulator (how many other systems offer such seamless transition of old media?).
Most of the main retro machines I have do that.
I was talking about a program from an early 90s magazine disk (old media that would be completely unrecognisable to a contemporary PC without specialist software or equipment - like VHS tapes or vinyl).

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Sephiroth81 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:16 pm

RodimusPrime wrote:in terms of Arcade ports the Amiga was woefully lagging behind, they looked bad and played even worse. A 2D powerhouse it most certainly was not.
Even on the same side of this topic and you still want to be a pedant about it! Jeez lighten up! :P

I actually barely played any arcade ports, think i played the awful SF2 port on a demo disk once. I was always very satisfied and impressed with the Amigas sound and graphics in 2D up to the SNES era, and think that it had some great strengths as well as weaknesses which affected most of the 16 bit machines pending on areas.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by The Laird » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:44 pm

necronom wrote:
outdated_gamer wrote:the debate which was the better machine is still on-going today by retro computer-heads.
Is it? I never really thought there was much debate, as the Amiga WAS the better machine, but the ST was cheaper. It was just a case of how much you wanted to spend. The ST was to the Amiga, what the Spectrum was to the C64; cheaper and less technically impressive because of that. The only difference to that is that the Amiga is VERY similar, whereas the Spectrum and C64 were VERY different.
Now there is a totally biased comment by a Commodore fan boy if I ever saw one because that just isn't true at all.

There are numerous things the ST is better at, same with the Spectrum.

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