Amiga vs ST

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Which was better?

Amiga
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80%
ST
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18%
Other
1
2%
 
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Amiga vs ST

Post by outdated_gamer » Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:56 pm

Two popular 80s home computers ("PCs") that were quite affordable yet excelled at graphics, sound, computing, etc. Both paved the way for modern day computers, but which was the better one?

Unfortunately, I never owned either but I'm still fascinated by them. The DOS PC was lagging behind the competition in those times and the Apple computers were a bit weird and unestablished in Europe. While 8-bitters were still going strong, the Amiga and ST represented that "next step" in terms of capabilities and functionality. Both received a fair share of software written for them and the debate which was the better machine is still on-going today by retro computer-heads.

Which did you find better and why?

Discuss. :wink:

Some pics:

Amiga 1000 (1985)

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Amiga 500 (1987)

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Amiga 2000 (1987)

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Amiga 3000 (1990)

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Amiga 600 (1992)

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Amiga 1200 (1992)

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Amiga 4000 (1992)

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CDTV (1991; A500 for multi-media)

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CD32 (1993; A1200 based game console)

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Atari ST (1985)

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Atari STF/STFM (1986)

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Atari ST "Mega" (1986)

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Atari STE (1989)

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Atari TT (1990)

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Atari Falcon (1992)

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by joefish » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:10 pm

The Amiga was the better machine for arcade style games, but the ST was better value for money and better for productivity - at least for the first 3 or 4 years. And it had a slight speed advantage in solid 3D games too.
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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by RodimusPrime » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:10 pm

The Amiga for me. Had a lot of good times with that machine.

Still like the ST though, I still rememeber some great times on a friends machine playing 8 player Panza kick boxing tournaments.

Sensible soccer, Football manager, Cannon Fodder, Lemmings, Monkey Island, all gave me great memories.

Snes/MD + Amiga at the same time meant you were in for some of the best years in gaming.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by English Invader » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:41 pm

I'm an ST man. It's what I had as a kid and I feel much more at home with the ST's humble Yamaha than I do with the Amiga's Paula sampling.

I also find the ST a lot more user friendly. I love the way I can copy a program from a magazine disk onto the ST hard drive and then take the SD card over to my PC and run the program on an emulator (how many other systems offer such seamless transition of old media?).
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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by IronMaidenRule » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:42 pm

Atari ST was the first 16-bit computer I encountered but spent so many years with an Amiga 500 and then 1200 AGA, it is not a fair contest for my vote. But, I did use an Atari ST for some audio work in the late 90's and was surprised by how solid the MIDI capabilities were on it.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by markopoloman » Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:15 pm

As much as I enjoyed my mates ST (playing Oids) he soon 'upgraded' to an Amiga once he's seen what mine was doing.
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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Matt_B » Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:03 pm

joefish wrote:The Amiga was the better machine for arcade style games, but the ST was better value for money and better for productivity - at least for the first 3 or 4 years. And it had a slight speed advantage in solid 3D games too.
Yeah, it's easy to forget that the ST was half the price of the Amiga when both machines launched, and even the Amiga 500 was a good couple of hundred pounds more than the 520STFM.

From 1989 onwards though, when the price differential was much less and the Amiga was starting to get a lot of games that put its extra hardware to good use, the balance tipped the other way.

So, a game of two halves to me. I guess in the minds of most Amiga fans it's 1993 forever though.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by crusto » Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:46 pm

They were both crap
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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by kiwimike » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:39 am

crusto wrote:They were both crap
:lol: I like that!

Enjoyed games on both, did not own either. Probably preferred Amiga, but to be fair spent way more time on those as more people I knew had them.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Antiriad2097 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:20 am

I owned an STFM and an STE. For gaming, the Amiga was better. Neither is particularly good though, there's only a select few games that stand the test of time, most have dated horribly.

I never got on with the Amiga Workbench though, I much preferred the STs GEM interface and apps, it was much more consistent.
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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by The Laird » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:07 am

joefish wrote:The Amiga was the better machine for arcade style games, but the ST was better value for money and better for productivity - at least for the first 3 or 4 years. And it had a slight speed advantage in solid 3D games too.
This basically. All my nostalgia is for the ST though, the Amiga leaves me cold.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by The Laird » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:13 am

Oh and that 1985 Atari ST is totally wrong, this is an original version of the ST (note the shorter case and external disk drive)

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And you forgot the STacy and the ST Book:

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You couldn't get an Amiga laptop could you? :mrgreen:

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Antiriad2097 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:45 am

I'd forgotten those. Looking up the STacy, its on the later STFM TOS, but Wikipedia says it has a blitter, but no mention of DMA for audio. Is this some sort of halfway house between the STFM and STE?
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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by The Laird » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:53 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:I'd forgotten those. Looking up the STacy, its on the later STFM TOS, but Wikipedia says it has a blitter, but no mention of DMA for audio. Is this some sort of halfway house between the STFM and STE?
Yep. The blitter was also in the original Mega ST models too.

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Re: Amiga vs ST

Post by Matt_B » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:02 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:I'd forgotten those. Looking up the STacy, its on the later STFM TOS, but Wikipedia says it has a blitter, but no mention of DMA for audio. Is this some sort of halfway house between the STFM and STE?
Sort of. Although commonly associated with the STE, the blitter first appeared in the Mega 2, and there's a socket for it in later revisions of the STFM. TOS versions 1.02 and above support it.

I believe it was part of the design for the original ST, but was left out because they couldn't get it working in time. Things might have been very different if they'd managed, although the DMA sound and hardware scrolling would still have had to wait for the STE.

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