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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Sun May 08, 2016 5:11 am

quantum wrote:My first computer was a 286 with CGA and an amber monitor! Dambusters, 1 on 1 and Tapper were the games it came with. :mrgreen:

Most friends weren't interested in DOS games until Doom came on the scene, but there were loads of good games prior to it.

Anyway I wish they had figured out how to get 256 colours out of CGA back in the late 80s...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yHXx3orN35Y
CGA was missunderstood in general, tbh. The default cyan/magenta color mode was ment for text and graphs, not for games. Games were ment to be played via composite on a TV screen, which gave much more and better colours. Also there was the low-res high-color mode which was also under utilized for games. But we also have to consider that when Tandy, EGA and VGA came out, CGA was not high on the priority list of most devs so they just sticked to that awful (if unique in a way) cyan/magenta look. They kept support for older systems that were still running it but it was not a high priority. Here is a good article about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_artifact_colors

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Sun May 08, 2016 5:15 am

Antiriad2097 wrote: I can't watch youtube here so I missed that, was just going by the description - can't even load the page as it takes so long. 33k modem would be better than what I'm using.

as for the above - meh say I. If it's over 12fps it's alright ;)
I can play games at very low framerates too, doesn't mean more frames aren't better. :wink:

For competitive PC gaming in general, people are willing to sacrifice graphics and resolution to get that framerate advantage.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by Antiriad2097 » Sun May 08, 2016 5:19 am

In general? I far prefer my competitive gaming to be on a level playing field, where everyone's playing the same version of the same game at the same speed.
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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Sun May 08, 2016 5:42 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:In general? I far prefer my competitive gaming to be on a level playing field, where everyone's playing the same version of the same game at the same speed.
Well if you're playing online, you're still limited by your connection speed so yeah... :wink:

If "even playing field" means crap performance and control, I would personally not cherish it. There was a world of difference between something like GoldenEye running on a N64 and something like Quake running on a decent PC back then. GoldenEye players were basically playing in slow motion in comparison and didn't even have a screen for each other (aka easy cheating).

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Post by Antiriad2097 » Sun May 08, 2016 6:25 am

Nope, I don't mean ropey N64 games, I mean quality gaming as the designers intended. See the Retro League link in my sig...
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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by RetrolixusMcD » Sun May 08, 2016 6:35 am

I remember my first pc fondly..8mb Ram, Windows 95, 366mhz processor, 750mb hard drive!! the power!. Used to try and overclock it to get the most out of the games, I remember running a demo of Dungeon Keeper which was only meant to last 30mins, I went into the .txt file and changed to last for hours even though it was only one level. everything ran to a point but there were certain games I could not get due to hardware limitations. but remember the era fondly with games like, theme park and theme hospital, KKND, carmageddon, blood oh the list could go on for hours. one of my favourite websites is now gog.com as can relive a lot of these classics!

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Mon May 09, 2016 8:11 pm

Tandy 1000, the cute IBM compatible PC from the 80s (did much better than the failed PCjr):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn0q3IS5Tyk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ0o-TyFEWA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azctWK9mQWU

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:51 pm

Doom music played on a plethora of different sound cards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXFYWJ7dbz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TsL0HyVq4g

It's amazing how different the game sounds on different sound hardware of the time.

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Post by GarryG » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:30 pm

I've sold off a lot of old PC bits through ebay in the past but still have a lot of old cards and memory lying around in the loft. I do try to make some use of my old machines, and only relatively recently threw out a 386 and 486 PC.
I had an Amstrad 1512, complete with green screen, for years before it, literally, blew up!

The oldest pcs I now have are relatively early single core pentiums. Although I do still have older macs.

I try to play things on as close as possible hardware and displays to that which they originally came out for, so I have a mixture of modern lcd and older crt monitors and tvs that can take rgb, and composit signals as well as those that take vga and hdmi.

Having said that I play my vic20 through a composition lead, and my Amiga through rgb (to a cub monitor) not through rf. Although my Telling Coloure star can only do rf without internal modification.
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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by Katzkatz » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:10 am

Does anyone still have their analogue joystick for their old PC? Not one of these new fangled things with a USB port - but using the old joystick port(which I think had 15 pins) - and was usually on the soundcard - but in my first PC's case - it was on the actual motherboard built-in. I still have my old Gravis Analogue Joystick in black with grey firebuttons - and the throttle dial at the side.

I suspect that a lot of people bought them for Falcon, X-Wing, Tie Fighter or Wing Commander. Mine got a lot of use on Tie Fighter.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by theantmeister » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:27 am

I wish I still had my Logitech Wingman Extreme :(

I have a newer one now (I found on Amibay, I think) but it isn't as nice and doesn't work in DOS.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by shinymcshine » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:23 am

I started off with an Amstrad 2086 that had a 5.25 floppy drive and 3.5 DD disc drive - so I couldn't play all those "modern" games that came on HD discs ! It had DOS 4.01 and Win 2.1 (didn't think that Windows thing would catch on, but you could play a simple version of Othello).

I remember playing Sim City and Populous quite a lot ("The Hit Squad" big box re-release versions).

I was really excited when I got a 486 with quad speed CD, but it was around 1995, so it came with Win 95 and I recall loads of hassle trying to get any older games running on it, but I did get to play things like Quake, Daggerfall , Duke Nukem 3D, Phantasmagoria*, Warcraft 2, Descent, Day of the Tenticle, etc so it wasn't all bad.



* Yeah, ok it doesn't fit weil with the rest of those games, but it was a "curiosity" - IIRC I played it over a weekend then took it back for a direct exchange.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by theantmeister » Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:54 am

If anyone is wondering why we would want a retro gaming PC, just watch this:

https://youtu.be/fbjYkPKRm-8

I think we all share Clint's enthusiasm. I lusted after a 486 DX2 66 too. I'm tempted to build one now!

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:56 pm

Geoff Crammond's F1 Grand Prix series, once upon a time the benchmark in racing simulators (first game also came out on Amiga and Atari ST):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQ11sTJJhY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5HUmxNsqEc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKIB_n6x7CQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ws7UAwv7-Q

The games were notorious for their high system requirements, but those that could afford the hardware for them were in for the best F1 sims on the market. Overall, the PC is the place to be for those who want serious racing sims and covering them all would warrant a fully new thread. But I must mention Grand Prix Legends simply because what a groundbreaking racing sim it was. Here's some modded footage of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r9Y8rgp9N4

While the mods improve the graphics, the physics are the exact same as they were back in 1998 and the game is still in the very top of racing realism. Quite a remarkable achievement, comparable only to Falcon 4.0 which is in another genre entirely (flight simulators, also a speciality of the PC).

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by DaveDoc1984 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:11 am

I recently picked up a PC for "Retro PC Gaming". I bought for £25 a Dell Inspiron GX100 which has an Intel Celeron 800MHZ Processor and 256 MB of RAM. So far so good after installing a Sound Blaster 512 and the DOS emulation drivers for it. It has a Geforce FX5200 PCI Graphics card and I am running Windows 98 SE as the OS on it which I did a fresh install of as the PC came with no OS on it.

I then forgot that during my youth (with the PC we had back then) that I had to keep messing about with Memory Management (Base Memory, XMS and EMS) to get some games to run. There is no "1 fits all solution" and it took me back to the days of tweaking config.sys and autoexec.bat to get games to run :)

I dug out my copy of Grand Prix Legends the other day but haven't had chance to install it yet.

I am due to do a YouTube video for my channel to document my "Retro PC Gaming" machine. Watch this space.
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