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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by theantmeister » Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:32 am

How about Doom 3 on 20 year old hardware :wink:

http://youtu.be/nUVXAl0dgYY

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:00 pm

While we're at it - Crysis on Pentium 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1mSaGsgg8

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:31 am

The Voodoo 5 6000, the holy grail of classic 3D accelerators:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLpd6EKb9Uc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxPHE8p-qf0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7uvTCN_ylA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYFZiKg-W5c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-RVWtsJqFY

Only around 1000 were made and never made it into retail. It was the last thing 3dfx did before getting absorbed into Nvidia. Some of their technologies were later reused, such as "SLI" multiple cards setups.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by The Hardest of All Freds » Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:48 pm

I got nearly a ton for a Voodoo 3DFX card last year...
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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:04 pm

A very good video about CGA graphics boards and how, under the right circumstances, they weren't all that bad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niKblgZupOc

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:22 pm

Well, my main display screen broke down so I had to hook up my old CRT screen and had some 3dfx nostalgia... :wink:

The clarity and sharpness is worse but everything old looks nicer on it. You don't even have to use any edge smoothing because the monitor will smooth the edges by itself and the response time is excellent. It's not hard to see why high-quality CRTs were popular well after LCDs came out for pro players and programmers.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by theantmeister » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:47 am

outdated_gamer wrote:The clarity and sharpness is worse but everything old looks nicer on it. You don't even have to use any edge smoothing because the monitor will smooth the edges by itself and the response time is excellent. It's not hard to see why high-quality CRTs were popular well after LCDs came out for pro players and programmers.
Hmm, I'm not sure about other programmers, but I found moving to an LCD a godsend for work. Staring at a CRT all day wasn't good for my eyes, especially when dealing with small type.

For games though, yeah, they're great. And don't forget the contrast ratio. LCDs (especially cheap ones) just blow out everything dark, which is a real problem in games like Doom.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:07 pm

theantmeister wrote:
outdated_gamer wrote:The clarity and sharpness is worse but everything old looks nicer on it. You don't even have to use any edge smoothing because the monitor will smooth the edges by itself and the response time is excellent. It's not hard to see why high-quality CRTs were popular well after LCDs came out for pro players and programmers.
Hmm, I'm not sure about other programmers, but I found moving to an LCD a godsend for work. Staring at a CRT all day wasn't good for my eyes, especially when dealing with small type.

For games though, yeah, they're great. And don't forget the contrast ratio. LCDs (especially cheap ones) just blow out everything dark, which is a real problem in games like Doom.
You would be right about that, LCDs did make long-term usage of the screen for viewing text better. Still, professional-grade CRTs are still in usage even today in some branches. They didn't stop making them because they would be inferior tech but because they were too costly to produce, bulky and power-hungry to keep making them.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Sat May 07, 2016 11:31 am

Playing games at 200 Hz with zero response time on a high-quality CRT monitor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdDKazOtjM8

Playing classic PC games in 1600x1200 resolution (back then what 4K is today):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3AG97NhNkY

Comparison of different graphics board modes (Hercules, CGA, EGA, VGA, Tandy, etc):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_CwlDe8YJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86O3PxdLrg8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1VD10WF0c

Doom artificially reworked for the different colour outputs (CGA composite not bad):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YoqUM1ZLQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nz_QB26Clw

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by quantum » Sat May 07, 2016 4:33 pm

My first computer was a 286 with CGA and an amber monitor! Dambusters, 1 on 1 and Tapper were the games it came with. :mrgreen:

Most friends weren't interested in DOS games until Doom came on the scene, but there were loads of good games prior to it.

Anyway I wish they had figured out how to get 256 colours out of CGA back in the late 80s...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yHXx3orN35Y
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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by Antiriad2097 » Sat May 07, 2016 5:48 pm

outdated_gamer wrote:Playing games at 200 Hz
Why? Other than because you can? Utterly pointless one upmanship, it makes no odds to the game, it's just flaunting tech specs and is precisely the sort of thing that gives PC gaming a bad name.
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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by Matt_B » Sat May 07, 2016 7:04 pm

Antiriad2097 wrote:
outdated_gamer wrote:Playing games at 200 Hz
Why? Other than because you can? Utterly pointless one upmanship, it makes no odds to the game, it's just flaunting tech specs and is precisely the sort of thing that gives PC gaming a bad name.
Yeah, there's no particular point to it, but it's hardly a game of one-upmanship. You must have missed the bit where it's on a 2002 CRT monitor and it's also running at a distinctly retro 640x480. Those Iiyama Vision Master Pro series monitors were fantastic for their time, and I've still got one, but sat next to any modern half-decent LED panel they look pretty poor.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by theantmeister » Sun May 08, 2016 4:14 am

quantum wrote:My first computer was a 286 with CGA and an amber monitor! Dambusters, 1 on 1 and Tapper were the games it came with. :mrgreen:

Most friends weren't interested in DOS games until Doom came on the scene, but there were loads of good games prior to it.

Anyway I wish they had figured out how to get 256 colours out of CGA back in the late 80s...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yHXx3orN35Y
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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by outdated_gamer » Sun May 08, 2016 4:58 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:
outdated_gamer wrote:Playing games at 200 Hz
Why? Other than because you can? Utterly pointless one upmanship, it makes no odds to the game, it's just flaunting tech specs and is precisely the sort of thing that gives PC gaming a bad name.
Your post shows you don't know much about competitive PC gaming. :wink:

Competitive shooters such as Quake, Unreal Tournament, Counter-Strike, etc all benefit from more frames per second and a higher refresh rate, the gameplay feels more fluid and fast and in some cases you even get new moves. Quake in general was well known for this, as certain moves weren't possible with a too low framerate. Here's how a 60 Hz monitor compares with a 144 Hz one when slowed down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=928VyYQxKKo

And it's not limited just to shooters, games and moving stuff in general will feel much more fluid at a higher refresh rate.

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Re: Retro PC gaming

Post by Antiriad2097 » Sun May 08, 2016 5:01 am

Matt_B wrote:
Antiriad2097 wrote:
outdated_gamer wrote:Playing games at 200 Hz
Why? Other than because you can? Utterly pointless one upmanship, it makes no odds to the game, it's just flaunting tech specs and is precisely the sort of thing that gives PC gaming a bad name.
Yeah, there's no particular point to it, but it's hardly a game of one-upmanship. You must have missed the bit where it's on a 2002 CRT monitor and it's also running at a distinctly retro 640x480. Those Iiyama Vision Master Pro series monitors were fantastic for their time, and I've still got one, but sat next to any modern half-decent LED panel they look pretty poor.
I can't watch youtube here so I missed that, was just going by the description - can't even load the page as it takes so long. 33k modem would be better than what I'm using.

as for the above - meh say I. If it's over 12fps it's alright ;)
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