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Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:10 am
by MikeFishcake
Well... if your ethics weren't too robust, you didn't have to spend much on software...

But for me, it wasn't just the commercial games on the Amiga.

I loved messing about with 'art' in Deluxe Paint, making music in Protracker, creating strange and crude (in both style and topic) cartoony animations in AMOS, watching loads of scene demos and wondering how on earth they did it, playing a wide variety of plain weird PD and shareware games, reading diskmagazines and just generally farting about with Workbench - tweaking the system to find out what I could do with it.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:18 pm
by Megamixer
knight_beat wrote:@MegaMixer Amiga Format, CU Amiga and Amiga Active could be bought in WH Smith, John Menzies and the odd railway station.
Cheers for the info :) . Guess I must have just overlooked these back then.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:02 am
by yakmag
Remember my first Amiga like it was yesterday.

Had a CBM64, an xmas pressie in 1983 (I was 13 at the time), this served me well until 1988, that is when I ordered from Silica Shop (remember them?) an A500, with Deluxe Video, Deluxe Music and it came with a pack of games...

When I booted it up, couldn't believe it, it BURIED my 64, my 64 which I'd had for 5 years was now dead to me.

Played the pack-in games to death but wasn't until I bought Falcon (1989 I think, it cost £30 though!) that for me the power of 16-bit came into it's own. The one thing I will never forget was starting Falcon, taking off, then with some presses viewing your plane from OUTSIDE THE COCKPIT! And it moved when you moved the joystick!! There was another key you could press to rotate around the plane so you could see all the terrain (yeah, pixally mountains nothing much) but coming from a c64 it was MINDBLOWING!!!

Aside from games, did attempt drawing with DPaint and Photon Paint, making animated stuff in Deluxe Video and music in many of the available Soundtracker programs.

I think that was the Amiga's strength, it was all things to everyone.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:38 am
by Djeroek
MikeFishcake wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:10 am
But for me, it wasn't just the commercial games on the Amiga.

....making music in Protracker
This, besides all the great games on that machine, messing around with samples in trackers was the censored. The c64 sid had a great sound, but at the time I was too young to create music with it, by the time protracker arrived and demo ripped .mods were doing the rounds I was old enough to take them apart and learn sequencing the samples.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:12 pm
by ommadawnyawn
What have you played on it? Seems like not much if you go to basically an Asteroids clone as the most memorable game.

To borrow the thread a bit, why do Amiga fans not use sites like Gamefaqs? There are like no user stats or reviews for Amiga games on there.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:13 am
by demon
ommadawnyawn wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:12 pm
What have you played on it? Seems like not much if you go to basically an Asteroids clone as the most memorable game.
Amiga had a large variety of game genres perhaps due to having both mouse and joystick, while 8bit computers and consoles focused on joystick/gamepad and early PC didn't have joysticks (technically they did, as C64 also had a mouse, but few people had them with early PC and few games supported them).

So Amiga offered a large variety of arcade games beyond the usual shoot em ups and platformers, as well as point and click adventures and strategy games. For instance I played all LucasFilm and Sierra games originally on Amiga, while PC were still struggling to move from CGA/EGA to VGA.

Bitmap graphics reached their top. In fact, while modern PC games are obviously better and can achieve pixel-less results, if you enjoy the pixel-lated style you still today can't get better results than Amiga. That's because it hit the limit pixel size below which you start not to see pixels anymore :) Combine the eye candy of the best bitmap graphics ever with high speed and smooth scrolling and you get eternal classics like Speedball II.

It also had fairly low-res but fluid 3D games. Flight simulators with an arcade bent like F/A18 Interceptor or Fighter Bomber or Killing Cloud look primitive today but are still very playable.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:17 am
by ommadawnyawn
I don't think it hit that limit regarding pixel art, that would be Dreamcast.

Yeah it also had two of the first 3D platformers of sorts in Simulcra and Alpha Waves/Continuum.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:16 am
by DPrinny
Because the Dragon 32 was pish............

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:12 pm
by Matt_B
I think you're underrating the resolving power of the human eye somewhat, as it's quite possible to see individual pixels on a 4K monitor from a couple of feet away and neither the Amiga nor the Dreamcast comes even remotely close to that. And yes, there are games with hand drawn 2D graphics that'll scale right up to that. Try Hollow Knight at 4K sometime, for instance.

Most modern pixel art games are typically rendered at 640x360 which is about on a par of what the Dreamcast (640x480) did though, as it scales exactly to all the common HD resolutions without resorting to any vector tomfoolery. There's are some, like Celeste, that adopt a more Amiga-ish resolution of 320x180 (the Amiga's actual resolution was 320x256 for most games) and to my eyes they appear rather chunky; it's not necessarily a bad look though. Anyway, if you want the limit of pixel art, we're not even there yet unless you're talking mobile phones and a few high-end laptops and tablets with physically small displays at high enough resolutions.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:43 pm
by ommadawnyawn
Well ok, sure. But pixel art to me is when it's easy to make out each individual pixel without even trying and when changing any single one for a sprite can make a noticeable difference.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:27 am
by Matt_B
ommadawnyawn wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:43 pm
Well ok, sure. But pixel art to me is when it's easy to make out each individual pixel without even trying and when changing any single one for a sprite can make a noticeable difference.
That's not what pixel art is though. Rather, it's basically just art created as pixels rather than, say, scalable vectors, which therefore has an inherent resolution.

As such, whether you can make out individual pixels or not is just down to the size of the screen you run it on. You might struggle to do that with a 720p image on a mobile phone, for instance, but be just fine with a 4K one on a 28" monitor.

To throw a bone to the Amiga fans, its resolution was about as good as you'd get on a 14" portable TV through an RF cable. However, there were a lot of other systems with similar resolutions at the same time, and it's not like technology didn't move on subsequently.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:26 am
by ommadawnyawn
Not if you ask people who draw or prefer (retro) pixel art. But you are technically correct.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:21 am
by Antiriad2097
ommadawnyawn wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:26 am
Not if you ask people who draw or prefer (retro) pixel art. But you are technically correct.
You are the only person I've ever heard to deviate from the previous description. Yes, the majority of pixel artists tend to go for a low resolution aesthetic, but pixel art is pixel art.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:03 pm
by ommadawnyawn
http://pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts ... 318#139318
Explains it a bit more in-depth. Although I think the last point goes too far.

Re: Why are there so many Amiga fans on this forum?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:09 pm
by Antiriad2097
ommadawnyawn wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:03 pm
http://pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts ... 318#139318
Explains it a bit more in-depth. Although I think the last point goes too far.
Exactly. That's what we're saying and you're disagreeing with.