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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by JohnnyBgood » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:33 am

Don't be affraid of what will come from retrogaming. Event if it's on other and more recent devices, it's still retrogaming... ;)

(I personnally buy some retrogames on Steam, mobiles and tablets, and I'm ok with that, when people still cry that retrogaming is too expensive...)

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by davyK » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:52 am

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davyK wrote: Fair enough.... there are some exceptions. But I find it hard to believe you didn't feel short changed when you saw how megadrive games were meant to be experienced.

And rgb would be inadequate compensation for treacle slow bordered pal games.

Asked you this before laird...7800 games proper speed in pal? Agree re the controllers..... and 7800 asteroids.... best non emulated home version .
I didn't, not one bit actually and have never really understood the massive fuss some people make over 60hz. I the one thing I really like about my Asian MD is that I don't need a converter to play the Jap games, only real advantage it has for me.

I have never found any games treacle slow on my TurboGrafx, they all play just fine, same with my 7800 and any of my other PAL systems too.
Each to their own. When I got my modded MD with RGB it felt like getting a brand new console to me. I got such a kick out of it. Going from crappy RF was a big move on its own - but then playing full screen with a bit more speed really made the console for me as I wasn't than keen on it up until that point.

Re Turbografx and 7800 - have you had the opportunity to compare them with NTSC? I'd be particularly interested in hearing about a comparison with the 7800 as it's a console I'd like to collect a bit more for.

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by The Laird » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:20 am

Yes I have. I borrowed a friends NTSC Turbo Duo for a while and loved it but just couldn't afford the price they were selling for. I actually saw my own TurboGrafx for sale on here for just £30 so snapped it up, much cheaper than a import PC Engine. Also no need for modding the video output or step up converters, the RGB output is lovely. If it helps then watch my video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDM3lwP4ark

As for 7800, I have seen and played on an NTSC console and noticed little difference. The PAL version certainly has a lot of advantages; better controllers, built in Asteroids, no BIOS operated region lock (meaning you can play most NTSC games on it, you can't use PAL games at all on NTSC 7800) and I also think it looks a lot nicer too.

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by rocky1980 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:35 pm

Just because it is cheap you do not have it buy it. Ie PS1 sports titles in charity shops.
Do not try to go for "full sets" of games for systems , you will only waste you money and time
Do not buy every system under the sun, take some time watch some videos on you tube. Ask people here.
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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by Doddsy » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:08 pm

Keep everything you collect - you may think I'll easily get that game again but you never know...

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by ianpmarks » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:35 pm

If I still owned every piece of retro gaming paraphenalia I'd ever bought my house would look like that old man hoarder Mr Treebus' off that BBC programme from a few years back, and I'd have to crawl into my bathroom through a small gap at the top of a pile of old 8 bit computer cassettes... I find it quite cathartic to have a clear out every now and then.

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by davyK » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:14 pm

The Laird wrote:Yes I have. I borrowed a friends NTSC Turbo Duo for a while and loved it but just couldn't afford the price they were selling for. I actually saw my own TurboGrafx for sale on here for just £30 so snapped it up, much cheaper than a import PC Engine. Also no need for modding the video output or step up converters, the RGB output is lovely. If it helps then watch my video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDM3lwP4ark

As for 7800, I have seen and played on an NTSC console and noticed little difference. The PAL version certainly has a lot of advantages; better controllers, built in Asteroids, no BIOS operated region lock (meaning you can play most NTSC games on it, you can't use PAL games at all on NTSC 7800) and I also think it looks a lot nicer too.
Interesting. Thanks. I can collect some more games for my 7800 without fear of missing out. Have been toying with getting mine modifed for composite as the RF is definitely he console's achilles heal. The image can be pretty poor. My 2600 has a better quality image via RF.

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by theantmeister » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:37 am

The Laird wrote:As for 7800, I have seen and played on an NTSC console and noticed little difference. The PAL version certainly has a lot of advantages; better controllers, built in Asteroids, no BIOS operated region lock (meaning you can play most NTSC games on it, you can't use PAL games at all on NTSC 7800) and I also think it looks a lot nicer too.
I wish I could say the same for the SNES. Arguably the US SNES is the best one to own - it plays games at the "correct" speed, full screen and converting it to play Japanese Super Famicom games is as simple as snapping off a couple of tabs.

But god damn is it ugly. Plus they do not age well. If you thought purple and grey was ugly wait a few years... rhubarb and custard.

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by Mayhem » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:00 am

The Laird wrote:As for 7800, I have seen and played on an NTSC console and noticed little difference. The PAL version certainly has a lot of advantages; better controllers, built in Asteroids, no BIOS operated region lock (meaning you can play most NTSC games on it, you can't use PAL games at all on NTSC 7800) and I also think it looks a lot nicer too.
Although not all NTSC 7800 games (sadly Robotron crashes about 2-3 seconds in, and Summer/Winter Games are unplayable for example), and the one BIG advantage I find is playing NTSC 2600 games. Especially if you get the console S-video modded. Can play them all in the correct colours and correct speeds.
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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by The Laird » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:31 am

Mayhem wrote:
The Laird wrote:As for 7800, I have seen and played on an NTSC console and noticed little difference. The PAL version certainly has a lot of advantages; better controllers, built in Asteroids, no BIOS operated region lock (meaning you can play most NTSC games on it, you can't use PAL games at all on NTSC 7800) and I also think it looks a lot nicer too.
Although not all NTSC 7800 games (sadly Robotron crashes about 2-3 seconds in, and Summer/Winter Games are unplayable for example), and the one BIG advantage I find is playing NTSC 2600 games. Especially if you get the console S-video modded. Can play them all in the correct colours and correct speeds.
Winter Games plays fine, Summer Games just crashes on one of the events (swimming IIRC). I should have also mentioned that if you get a French SECAM 7800 it has RBG output as standard!

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by psj3809 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:35 am

I still think how lucky we are. Most of us here are mid-late 30's or early 40's

We've been there for practically the 'birth' of videogaming when it became huge with the Atari 2600, the great 8 bits of the 80's. The 16 bits of the 90's, the rise of the PC, the Gameboy arriving, consoles galore in the 90's. The internet becoming what it is now etc and then its like a full circle as then emulation became popular and for many people they were 'born again' retro fans as they could play classics on their PC via emulators.

Part of me feels like it was only 'yesterday' when most of this happened but then when you think back to the Speccy being 30+ years old its incredible. Here we are in 2015 retro gaming, love it

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by Sel Feena » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:42 am

I wonder if VR is truly going to kick off now, and I don't mean just an option in Elite Dangerous or some dodgy porn games. The potential for new kinds of games is pretty great.
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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by davyK » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:17 pm

psj3809 wrote:I still think how lucky we are. Most of us here are mid-late 30's or early 40's

We've been there for practically the 'birth' of videogaming when it became huge with the Atari 2600, the great 8 bits of the 80's. The 16 bits of the 90's, the rise of the PC, the Gameboy arriving, consoles galore in the 90's. The internet becoming what it is now etc and then its like a full circle as then emulation became popular and for many people they were 'born again' retro fans as they could play classics on their PC via emulators.

Part of me feels like it was only 'yesterday' when most of this happened but then when you think back to the Speccy being 30+ years old its incredible. Here we are in 2015 retro gaming, love it
Gaming today is great. But there was nothing like being a teenager 1980-82 when the arcades had a new game in a new genre appearing on a regular basis. The games, the sounds, the controls and the atmosphere - there was nothing like it and there won't ever be again.

I also loved the home atari 2600 experience and the SNES/MD era in the early 90s - but the early 80s in the arcade was the daddy.

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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by Mayhem » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:38 pm

The Laird wrote:Winter Games plays fine, Summer Games just crashes on one of the events (swimming IIRC).
Might depend on the particular console. I'm pretty certain Summer Games crashes on the opening ceremony on my PAL 7800, have to go recheck that, haven't tried it in an age. And some games have horrible graphical problems. The annoying thing is, a number of the NTSC only 7800 games don't work so well on a PAL console. Rampage is another example :|

As for advice for someone new, which I haven't really said anything about that yet... if you are more interested in playing the games as they should be as opposed to collecting them, and are willing to put a bit more time and effort into proceedings, then genuinely look to import if you want to play anything pre PS2. TVs here will support NTSC signals in for the most part, and get the games at the correct speed and resolution that they were designed at for the most part.
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Re: what advice would you give to a new retro gamer

Post by Antiriad2097 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:59 pm

Mayhem wrote:As for advice for someone new, which I haven't really said anything about that yet... if you are more interested in playing the games as they should be as opposed to collecting them, and are willing to put a bit more time and effort into proceedings, then genuinely look to import if you want to play anything pre PS2. TVs here will support NTSC signals in for the most part, and get the games at the correct speed and resolution that they were designed at for the most part.
Except if it's a British system, like the Spectrum, BBC or Amstrad.

Or like the C64 and Amiga, where most of the best games were written in Europe for PAL systems.
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