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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by ToxieDogg » Sat May 18, 2013 1:14 pm

snowkatt wrote:you mean all this is just EA throwing a temper tantrum holding its breath and stomping on the floor ?
No, not at all. Obviously EA aren't the only big publishers who have nothing in the pipeline for Wii U, but they seem to be the only publisher who's been so vocal about it. Whatever happened to professional etiquette? You know...'The Wii U is less powerful than it's rivals/doesn't feature in our current strategy' type thing. Why does a senior software engineer of all people feel the need to go on Twitter sounding like a 12 year old who's mummy has promised to buy him a PS4 for Xmas? :?
DreamcastRIP wrote:I'd agree with all of that apart from the part where you've stated "...they (and their developers) seem to have consistently gone on the attack". Criterion Games, the devs of EA-published Need For Speed: Most Wanted, have been full of praise for the Wii U. It's also worth noting that along the Trine 2 the Wii U version of that multi-platform game is one of the very few third-party games that its dev was granted sufficient resources to make it by far the best version available on a console. Maybe that one EA dev is the exception to the rule but it suggests there isn't an anti-Nintendo conspiracy within the company as much as I suspect some of the more 'committed' Ninty fans would like to believe there is.
I agree, all valid points. :) I still think it was one hell of a set of unprofessional tweets for a senior member of EA though.
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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by DreamcastRIP » Sat May 18, 2013 2:07 pm

ToxieDogg wrote:I agree, all valid points. :) I still think it was one hell of a set of unprofessional tweets for a senior member of EA though.
Indeed it was albeit I don't recall having claimed otherwise. It's rare that we get to hear what such people really think in this ever more corporate industry that is videogaming. I'd have hoped folk here would be more interested in discussing his words rather than caring about whether he it was professional of him to do so.
Why does a senior software engineer of all people feel the need to go on Twitter sounding like a 12 year old who's mummy has promised to buy him a PS4 for Xmas?
It didn't take long for the following prediction quoted from an earlier post to come to pass then,
DreamcastRIP wrote:...While he'll doubtlessly be the subject of personal ridicule from some quarters I suspect the message will get lost among all the internets histrionics.
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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by chrisgoodhead » Sat May 18, 2013 8:28 pm

I don't get all this wii u bashing. Really, I don't. I'm not what you'd call a hardcore gamer, not any more - being 40 this year and with 2 small kids I just don't have the time. But the wii u absolutely hits all the right buttons for me. The tablet screen - for the simple reason it's not the tv - is a huge element in why I use it so much. The perceived lack of games - well really, how many can you actually play at one time? Do you really need a new fame every week?

I've been hammering Mario Picross lately. Before that it was zen pinball. Mario u is a constant. F zero still excites - what a challenge! Little inferno was compelling while it lasted. Balloon flight got a good few hours play. Sonic racing is occasionally on the back burner. As is super mario world. Miiverse is great for a bit of simple socialising.

I'm not a rabid Nintendo fan. My favourite games systems have been varied. Spectrum, Atari st, snes, ps1, dreamcast, ps2, n64. But this wii u really has the magic. I know what a great system is for me - its the one I use most, am compelled to return to - its the one the draws me in. Wii u has it.

It's a shame to see it getting such a kicking. That's all.

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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by ToxieDogg » Sat May 18, 2013 10:10 pm

DreamcastRIP wrote:Indeed it was albeit I don't recall having claimed otherwise. It's rare that we get to hear what such people really think in this ever more corporate industry that is videogaming. I'd have hoped folk here would be more interested in discussing his words rather than caring about whether he it was professional of him to do so.

It didn't take long for the following prediction quoted from an earlier post to come to pass then,
DreamcastRIP wrote:...While he'll doubtlessly be the subject of personal ridicule from some quarters I suspect the message will get lost among all the internets histrionics.
That has always generally been how things are. if somebody words their comments in a meaningful, non-condescending manner, then people tend to take more notice and value their opinions more. If, however, they decide to act like a idiot, or unprofessionally, then that's exactly how they're regarded as for the most part....whatever truth might have been in what they said. 'The evil that men do....' as Shakespeare wrote.

Whatever EA's stance is, without an official statement to back it up, Summerwill as an employee has absolutely no place publicising it mixed in with his own personal views on Twitter. I really don't think I'm being overly melodramatic and don't appreciate the blatant implication that I am being, Nostradamus. :|

But if you'd rather 'discuss his words', then I will:
DreamcastRIP wrote:
Tweet #1
“The WiiU is crap. Less powerful than an XBOX360. Poor online/store. Weird tablet. Nintendo are walking dead at this point.”
Harsh perhaps but the guy's a senior engineer at one of the world's largest games publishers whose apparently been there since 1999 so one would presume he knows what he's talking about. As for his final statement then as a mere casual observer I'd have thought his words are perhaps overly pesismistic regarding Nintendo's future but as he's likely far better informed than any of us here I don't think his words can be reasonably dismissed out of hand.
Whether or not he's 'far better informed' than any of us here, I'd like to think that we can at least form our own conclusions based on common sense, research and evidence before letting somebody's personal opinion sway us. "The WiiU is crap" - debatable. "Less powerful than an Xbox 360" - debatable. "Weird tablet" - Mere personal opinion...many don't find it 'weird' at all. "Nintendo are walking dead at this point." - Nonsense. This is the same Nintendo who's last console was the massively successful Wii, who also have the massively successful DS Lite and who are currently doing well with the 3DS, as well as extremely healthy software sales. But! He's a senior software engineer for a rival publisher! That must add at least a little credibility to his personal opinions, right? :roll:

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Tweet #2
“Nintendo are still operating like it’s 1990. They should have “done a Sega” and offered Mario/Zelda as PS4/Durango exclusives.”
Hardly a controversial statement as many others having been saying the same for some time. It's interesting to hear that such a senior industry figure subscribes to this viewpoint too.
'Many' others? I know of Peter Molyneux saying that if it was up to him, he'd put Mario on the iPad and Cliffy B saying Nintendo 'might' throw in the towel and become a third party developer at some point.....but this tweet is possibly the only instance I've seen of someone who wasn't an anonymous keyboard warrior or a speculating journalist saying that Nintendo 'should' actually have 'done a Sega' already. So they should offer their most valuable IPs as exclusives to a competitor when they still have a healthy handheld business and the Wii U's future is nowhere near set in stone yet? Really? :roll:
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Tweet #3
“Instead they make this awful console, and this…nintendo.com/wii/udownloads…. Just stop it! Just make great games!”
I personally don't think Wii U is an 'awful console' but many Wii U owners have been very critical of the console hardware, its firmware and eShop including on this very forum. He appears to want more great games from Nintendo (a compliment by him) rather than them messing about with gimmicky hardware. I see numerous Nintendo fans, including on this very forum, stating that hardware, graphics, etc, don't matter because it's all about the games so by that logic (flawed logic imho, but I digress) surely the guy has a fair point?
He makes a fair point at the end of his tweet, but he's already automatically alienated a lot of people reading it by calling the Wii U an 'awful console' at the beginning of it. I don't suppose it would be too much to ask of a senior software engineer for a major games publisher to at least think before he hits 'send' on his tweet, would it? :roll:
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Tweet #4
“It is an utterly intentional decision to focus our resource on markets which actually matter… like mobile, and Gen4.”
Perhaps he's talking in the present tense whereby with such a tiny userbase that's not expanding in size at all quickly the Wii U isn't commercially viable for a company the size of EA. Hedging his bets for now while leaving the door open to start porting games to Wii U at some future point if the console sells well. An entirely sensible business decision, imho.
First off, he's making a wild assumption that either the PS4 or Durango/Nextbox will be a 'market that matters' months in advance (if only we all had the same crystal ball Summerwill seems to have :roll: ....). Perhaps you're correct and he is talking in the present tense, but I still find it a little strange that after initially announcing they had an 'unprecedented partnership' with Nintendo back in 2011 and were rumoured to be helping them to create the Wii U's online network, EA then suddenly had next to no games in development for the Wii U that were due out on other formats right after the Wii U launched (ie Dead Space 3), and the only things the Wii U did get were a half assed FIFA game, a half assed Madden game, a port of Mass Effect 3 which had launched on Xbox 360 and PS3 months before, and a port of Need For Speed Most Wanted, which despite being the best console version was still launched way too late after the other versions to generate much interest.
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Tweet #5
“One more : -). Nintendo platforms have always been very poor revenue-wise for third parties. Only Mario and Zelda make money.”
Somewhat of an over-simplification as some third-party games sold well on the Wii but his point when taken more broadly does hold up to scrutiny. For instance, ato this source the top 14 best-selling Wii games of all-time were all published by Nintendo. The only non-Nintendo game to make the top 15 comes in at number 15.
That's an interesting tweet to me, given his earlier one. You've already pointed out that it's somewhat of an over-simplification anyway, but if we go back to what he said earlier about Nintendo making their IPs exclusive to another format....I can only imagine how much that would possibly devastate other third party software sales on that format then. :lol: Some of these people want to be careful what they wish for in case it happens one day. :wink: As for third party games that sold well on the Wii....EA certainly didn't do too badly. EA Sports Active did quite well for itself, boldly fighting off Mario Sports Mix, both Wii Kirby games, Metroid Prime 3 and Pokemon Battle Revolution. :shock: Boom Blox also sold quite well for instance although the fact that it was an original, fun appealing IP that wasn't a half assed port or already available on a rival console might've been the catalyst for better sales (but I'm certainly no expert).
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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by FatTrucker » Sun May 19, 2013 4:13 am

Mainly it seems to be because the 'new' market the Wii captured to such great effect has moved on. This isn't really a reflection on Nintendo or its games, just a market trend. The Wii introduced a temporary fad, all those extra users weren't converted into new console gamers that have moved onto the WiiU, and are doubtless now enjoying Candy Crush and Angry Birds on their tablets and smartphones.
What's left is Nintendo's existing market of gamers, a not insignificantly sized group but hardly large enough to justify modern development costs for mainstream games. Nintendo seems to have put all its eggs in one basket with the WiiU, banking on all the existing Wii owners, buying into the new hardware, not really planning for the fact that most non-gamers who bought the Wii weren't playing it anymore. Failing to cater to the more traditional gaming market with the WiiU has left it looking bereft, a console designed for a temporary market that has already moved on.
Perhaps more worryingly for Nintendo's future as a hardware manufacturer, their one constant strength has been in the handheld market, something they've held primacy in consistently since the release of the original GameBoy. Their success in that area has generally allowed them to weather any storms in the home console business. The conventional handheld gaming market has effectively disappeared, with the move onto smartphones and tablets. With both their core hardware markets seemingly out of reach, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Nintendo move to becoming a pure Software house. IMO their strength has always been in their games anyway.

Time will tell if the next gen offerings from M$ and Sony suffer a similar fate. Too much emphasis on novel controls, or overly 'monetised' games could see their markets decline just as quickly. There have been some worrying trends developing recently.
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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by The Beans » Sun May 19, 2013 4:31 am

FatTrucker wrote:Mainly it seems to be because the 'new' market the Wii captured to such great effect has moved on. This isn't really a reflection on Nintendo or its games, just a market trend. The Wii introduced a temporary fad, all those extra users weren't converted into new console gamers that have moved onto the WiiU, and are doubtless now enjoying Candy Crush and Angry Birds on their tablets and smartphones.
What's left is Nintendo's existing market of gamers, a not insignificantly sized group but hardly large enough to justify modern development costs for mainstream games. Nintendo seems to have put all its eggs in one basket with the WiiU, banking on all the existing Wii owners, buying into the new hardware, not really planning for the fact that most non-gamers who bought the Wii weren't playing it anymore. Failing to cater to the more traditional gaming market with the WiiU has left it looking bereft, a console designed for a temporary market that has already moved on.
Time will tell if the next gen offerings from M$ and Sony suffer a similar fate. Too much emphasis on novel controls, or overly 'monetised' games could see their markets decline just as quickly. There have been some worrying trends developing recently.
I agree broadly with what you're saying there apart form the fact that Nintendo expected all existing Wii owners to switch over to the Wii U. Their own profit forecasts say otherwise. They've underestimated the willingness to take up the Wii U and they've probably overestimated their numbers overall but they did anticipate a drop off.

In amongst all this Nintendo bashing there might be a small ray of light in the darkness if Nintendo can stick it out. Everybody on here seems to think EA have dropped the Wii U for reasons of sales and tech. On the more industry focused private forums I post on elsewhere the general vibe seems to be that EA aren't interested in the Wii U right now because Nintendo are unwilling to monetize EA's future products in the way EA want, or are currently unable to do so for reasons of infrastructure.
Which would make the Wii U the console of choice for many gamers who, like you, are worried about the "trends" we're likely to see come to fruition on the PS4 and Xbox "Infinity". The sales surge could be quite impressive.
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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by DreamcastRIP » Sun May 19, 2013 5:22 am

ToxieDogg wrote:That has always generally been how things are. if somebody words their comments in a meaningful, non-condescending manner, then people tend to take more notice and value their opinions more. If, however, they decide to act like a idiot, or unprofessionally, then that's exactly how they're regarded as for the most part....whatever truth might have been in what they said. 'The evil that men do....' as Shakespeare wrote.

Whatever EA's stance is, without an official statement to back it up, Summerwill as an employee has absolutely no place publicising it mixed in with his own personal views on Twitter. I really don't think I'm being overly melodramatic and don't appreciate the blatant implication that I am being, Nostradamus. :|
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think you came across in your previous post as just another emotional Nintendo defender in the the way you needlessly sought to belittle Bob Summerskill's character.
"Nintendo are walking dead at this point." - Nonsense. This is the same Nintendo who's last console was the massively successful Wii, who also have the massively successful DS Lite and who are currently doing well with the 3DS, as well as extremely healthy software sales. But! He's a senior software engineer for a rival publisher! That must add at least a little credibility to his personal opinions, right? :roll:
Wii is history and bears no relevance to what the guy's talking about so your point is moot... assuming you understood what he meant by 'walking dead' that is. Quite why you're referencing handheld consoles when the debate is about Nintendo's future as home console manufacturer is most peculiar too. Finally, EA may be another games publisher but we all know they'd be still be making games for Wii U if the console's sales weren't so poor. For you to paint EA as a rival to Nintendo is obviously a simplistic notion. Your closing sentence is yet another attack on his personal credibility.
So they should offer their most valuable IPs as exclusives to a competitor when they still have a healthy handheld business and the Wii U's future is nowhere near set in stone yet? Really? :roll:
You appear to be rather confused. The instance of a games developer publishing games on another company's hardware does not constitute offering over their IP as a system-exclusive in a world where iOS, Android and Windows mobile devices exist. Besides, you're once more confusing the debate because he's not talking about handheld/mobile devices. He's evidently referring to a wish for Nintendo to exit the home console hardware market and to publish games otherwise intended for Wii U on PS4 and next-gen Xbox instead. You also appear to be unaware that handheld rights and home console/computer rights for games can be seperate entities - one look at Tetris should have told you that. Nintendo would be able to release their games on 3DS as the sole portable gaming device while being able to sign agreements with Sony, Microsoft, Steam and whoever else to also publish their games on other brand home sytems. As to the part where you've referred to Wii U then I agree with you that it's too early for Nintendo to discontinue Wii U. As a gamer, however, I'd have thought the prospect of playing Nintendo IP on superior hardware would be rather appealing.
He makes a fair point at the end of his tweet, but he's already automatically alienated a lot of people reading it by calling the Wii U an 'awful console' at the beginning of it. I don't suppose it would be too much to ask of a senior software engineer for a major games publisher to at least think before he hits 'send' on his tweet, would it? :roll:
So you're crying because he expressed an opinion about your precious Nintendo console that you found to be upsetting. Hence your personal attacks on his character including where you described him as "sounding like a 12 year old who's mummy has promised to buy him a PS4 for Xmas". Resorting to name-calling because someone said nasty hurtful things about your favourite toy. Boohoo!
First off, he's making a wild assumption that either the PS4 or Durango/Nextbox will be a 'market that matters' months in advance (if only we all had the same crystal ball Summerwill seems to have :roll: ....). Perhaps you're correct and he is talking in the present tense, but I still find it a little strange that after initially announcing they had an 'unprecedented partnership' with Nintendo back in 2011 and were rumoured to be helping them to create the Wii U's online network, EA then suddenly had next to no games in development for the Wii U that were due out on other formats right after the Wii U launched (ie Dead Space 3), and the only things the Wii U did get were a half assed FIFA game, a half assed Madden game, a port of Mass Effect 3 which had launched on Xbox 360 and PS3 months before, and a port of Need For Speed Most Wanted, which despite being the best console version was still launched way too late after the other versions to generate much interest.
You think that it's a "wild assumption" that PS4 and next-gen Xbox will be a commercial success? Interesting. I do agree with all your other points though as the general quality of EA's Wii U output has been somewhat challenged to say the least and so the poor sales of their games shouldn't perhaps have come as a great surprise to them.
That's an interesting tweet to me, given his earlier one. You've already pointed out that it's somewhat of an over-simplification anyway, but if we go back to what he said earlier about Nintendo making their IPs exclusive to another format....I can only imagine how much that would possibly devastate other third party software sales on that format then. :lol: Some of these people want to be careful what they wish for in case it happens one day. :wink:
So do you think the instance of a future Mario Strikers Charged Football game being released on PS4 would significantly damage sales of, say, FIFA 16 on that console? Or that the release of a new Metroid game on next-gen Xbox would significantly damage sales of, say, Battlefield 5 on that console? Or that a new Animal Crossing game on those consoles would siginifcantly harm sales of a new The Sims game?
As for third party games that sold well on the Wii....EA certainly didn't do too badly. EA Sports Active did quite well for itself, boldly fighting off Mario Sports Mix, both Wii Kirby games, Metroid Prime 3 and Pokemon Battle Revolution. :shock: Boom Blox also sold quite well for instance although the fact that it was an original, fun appealing IP that wasn't a half assed port or already available on a rival console might've been the catalyst for better sales (but I'm certainly no expert).
Some great points there. Perhaps if EA had have released something new on Wii U like Ubisoft did with ZombiU then sales of their games on Nintendo's new console may not have been so abysmal. While we all know this is all about the numbers for EA (possibly including the Origin impasse) and that it's undeniable Wii U's low sales have played a part in their decision to cease games development for the platform they also have themselves to blame for the poor sales of their games. EA have been no stranger to poor decision making in recent times what with the SimCity debacle to name but one example.
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Post by koopa42 » Sun May 19, 2013 5:44 am

The Beans wrote: Nintendo expected all existing Wii owners to switch over to the Wii U.
This is what I think has caused the amount of Wiis appearing everywhere but I don't get why the WiiU sales weren't up to scratch? Just seems strange that someone who liked the Wii would sell it then not buy the WiiU ...... I could be really wrong that this is the case but it's just how I see it. This is what I think:

Wii owners sell them in prep for the WiiU
Something happens
Not many buy WiiUs and Wiis flood the bootsales and even charidees

I want to know the 'what happened between' bit, again before everyone passes out with rage, I could be very wrong.

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Post by pratty » Sun May 19, 2013 6:37 am

koopa42 wrote:
The Beans wrote: Nintendo expected all existing Wii owners to switch over to the Wii U.
This is what I think has caused the amount of Wiis appearing everywhere but I don't get why the WiiU sales weren't up to scratch? Just seems strange that someone who liked the Wii would sell it then not buy the WiiU ...... I could be really wrong that this is the case but it's just how I see it. This is what I think:

Wii owners sell them in prep for the WiiU
Something happens
Not many buy WiiUs and Wiis flood the bootsales and even charidees

I want to know the 'what happened between' bit, again before everyone passes out with rage, I could be very wrong.
The thing is not every Wii sale was due to planning to upgrading to the Wii-U. Remember lots of people bought Wiis who didn't normally buy consoles, many of them have probably moved on from consoles althogether, not just Wiis/Wii-Us.

But even some gamers felt like the Wii left a bad taste in their mouth, so they probably sold their Wiis in favour of PS3s or 360s. It's probably too early in the Wii-Us life to give them enough reasons to pick up the Wii-U when the PS3 and 360 is still doing them quite nicely.
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Post by killbot » Sun May 19, 2013 10:53 am

Speaking as a Wii owner, the simple reason I tended to favour Nintendo-published titles was... they were better.

Most 3rd-party games publishers/devs response to the Wii could be slotted into one of three categories:

1. Very sniffy about the machine and it's perception as a low-spec, entry-level console. Tended to refuse to have anything to do with it.

2. Embraced it, but didn't want to commit to any major projects so bashed out some quick, cheap minigame compilations.

3. Embraced it, but only as a recepticle for massively cut-down, low-quality ports of HD games. Had no interest in designing anything specifically for Wii.

There were a few who broke out of those categories - MadWorld, Dead Space Extraction, De Blob, Boom Blox and HOTD Overkill are all very good, for example, and all use the hardware well. But the list of good third-party games is painfully short. Even those I listed above didn't sell in droves, gamers perhaps having had their fingers burned with early low-quality 3rd-party stuff had by then elected not to buy anything without the Nintendo logo on it.

The annoying thing is that having produced these shonky ports and dodgy arm waggling compendiums the publishers sat back and waited for the money to roll in. When, for many of them, it didn't then instead of saying, 'fair enough, let's try making some good games for it' they all flounced off and announced that Wii owners obviously didn't want 3rd-party titles. If the Wii had had strong 3rd-party support right from the off and developers who properly committed rather than hedging their bets with half-assed efforts, then I think the 3rd-party Wii business could have been much stronger.

Oh, and I have to give props to Ubisoft who gave us a proper, Wii-specific version of PoP: Forgotten Sands that was a genuinely great game and even better than the HD versions. That's the kind of thing that should have been happening all along.
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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by DreamcastRIP » Sun May 19, 2013 11:14 am

killbot wrote:Speaking as a Wii owner, the simple reason I tended to favour Nintendo-published titles was... they were better.
In your opinion of course. I personally by far preferred Sega's offerings on Wii to that of any other publisher including Nintendo.

Would you please mind clarifying what the difference between 'better' and 'better' is though? :lol:
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Post by Rayne » Sun May 19, 2013 11:21 am

killbot wrote:Speaking as a Wii owner, the simple reason I tended to favour Nintendo-published titles was... they were better.

Most 3rd-party games publishers/devs response to the Wii could be slotted into one of three categories:

1. Very sniffy about the machine and it's perception as a low-spec, entry-level console. Tended to refuse to have anything to do with it.

2. Embraced it, but didn't want to commit to any major projects so bashed out some quick, cheap minigame compilations.

3. Embraced it, but only as a recepticle for massively cut-down, low-quality ports of HD games. Had no interest in designing anything specifically for Wii.

There were a few who broke out of those categories - MadWorld, Dead Space Extraction, De Blob, Boom Blox and HOTD Overkill are all very good, for example, and all use the hardware well. But the list of good third-party games is painfully short. Even those I listed above didn't sell in droves, gamers perhaps having had their fingers burned with early low-quality 3rd-party stuff had by then elected not to buy anything without the Nintendo logo on it.

The annoying thing is that having produced these shonky ports and dodgy arm waggling compendiums the publishers sat back and waited for the money to roll in. When, for many of them, it didn't then instead of saying, 'fair enough, let's try making some good games for it' they all flounced off and announced that Wii owners obviously didn't want 3rd-party titles. If the Wii had had strong 3rd-party support right from the off and developers who properly committed rather than hedging their bets with half-assed efforts, then I think the 3rd-party Wii business could have been much stronger.

Oh, and I have to give props to Ubisoft who gave us a proper, Wii-specific version of PoP: Forgotten Sands that was a genuinely great game and even better than the HD versions. That's the kind of thing that should have been happening all along.
Madworld, Dead Space Extraction & HOTD Overkill all toed the line in terms of quality - derivative gameplay matched with unrealistic expectations. Terrible choices of 'good' third party games! Not only that but all three of those titles that you listed sold way under publisher expectations.

Other, better, 3rd party titles that were highly rated critically and seemed to flop commercially....Red Steel 2, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, Monster Hunter Tri, Zack & Wiki, Xenoblade Chronicles & Rayman Legends.

The point I'm making is that many 3rd party publishers DID release quality software and almost all of it failed to mirror the same sort of sales success they would receive from releasing on the PS3 or 360. The reasons as to why I'll leave to your imagination :)
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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by sscott » Sun May 19, 2013 11:43 am

Fuckin' hell, these essay sized posts are bloody mental! I look forward to a seven hundred word response with individual quotes dissecting each word I've posted here. :D :wink:
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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by DreamcastRIP » Sun May 19, 2013 11:47 am

sscott wrote:Fuckin' hell, these essay sized posts are bloody mental! I look forward to a seven hundred word response with individual quotes dissecting each word I've posted here. :D :wink:
To be fair, the initial post to which I presume you're referring contained brief comment on each of Bob Summerskill's individual Tweets. It just looks a lot on screen even though there aren't really all that many words.
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Re: "wii u dead already"

Post by koopa42 » Sun May 19, 2013 11:49 am

sscott wrote:Fuckin' hell, these essay sized posts are bloody mental! I look forward to a seven hundred word response with individual quotes dissecting each word I've posted here. :D :wink:
I f##k them clean off .... all of them

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