Tropes and sexism in gaming.

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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by FatTrucker » Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:15 am

Sixteen Plus wrote:
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killbot wrote:Even games with a strong female lead are heavily sexualised and stereotyped. Take Tomb Raider, it was an excellent game in its own right and its often pointed to as an example of women being represented in games. However the hook it hangs off is that the woman in question is a fit, pony tailed, large breasted woman in a tight top and hotpants....with guns. If you look at most games featuring women in a strong role, they're invariably dressed in underwear, swimwear, tight leather outfits, tiny waists and big t*ts, stereotypically sexualised.
So what do the programmers do, create unattractive overweight flat-chested heroines in baggy jumpers and trousers with a bun hairdo? These feminists will always find something to complain about.

Guys could complain that males are misrepresented in games as being either either large brainless muscly bound goons with a 6 pack and a machine gun, or silly short fat little round headed dungaree wearing buffoons with a huge round nose, a large gay tache and a silly voice, but that would be neurotically idiotic.
Course it is, that was posted without judgement its just the way things work. Like I said in my OP there's plenty of stuff that doesn't subscribe or is demographically different, there are also plenty of games in historical settings where the depiction of women is specifically referenced to stereotypes propogated through film and literature.

Its not really a criticism to point out that women in games actually are sexualised and stereotyped because it sells. Afterall games for the most part are about escapism, who wants to escape into a world where the women are rough and disinterested and their character is an avatar with no discernable or remarkable attributes.

Red Dead Redemption has probably done it best this gen. While at its core its GTA in the wild west, it at least treated the setting with a bit of respect and covered all sorts of themes like poverty, injustice and abuse using believable characters.
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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by joefish » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:04 am

will2097 wrote:Where does one begin?
Spot on. It's a vacuous presentation as she neither clearly identifies the problem nor puts forward a solution.

There are two big give-aways there. The first is where she freely admits that the 'damsel in distress' idea dates back thousands of years before videogames, but fails to mention why video games need to be singled out as opposed to aeons of literature. And ignores, as has been mentioned already, that the 'damsel in distress' theme has proved just as popular with women over all that time.

The second is the mention of a 'part 2' to look at modern games and - specifically - how the 'damsel in distress' idea is used, rather than how female characters have been used in gaming. She would have you believe there are no other game plots, and I just find it a bit sad that it's taken so seriously by anyone.

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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by will2097 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:49 am

So, she actually raised $150,000 (£100,000) to make 5 video's on this topic.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566 ... deo-games/

That's a scam right?

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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by Sel Feena » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:54 am

Watch her videos on LEGO, they beggar belief.

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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by crusto » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:21 am

Hmmmm. She should just stick to what she does best, the dishes.
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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by The Laird » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:23 am

crusto wrote:Hmmmm. She should just stick to what she does best, the dishes.
Classic :lol:

Don't forget the ironing though too ;)

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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by DPrinny » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:57 am

People paid £150,000 for this.
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As for the "Zelda and Peach in there own games"
Zelda on CDi and Super princess Peach.

Im tempted to do a kick starter to do my own videos on the subjects of gaming and the odd play threw (while drunk)(and of the Action Max).

£150 for a decent camera.
£100 for a capture card
£100 for a few bottles of innis and gunn
£5 for a gag to shut the parrot up.

What did people pay for anyway?
A pretty face complaining and saying Tropes so much it starts to become annoying.

Like the way Likes, dislikes and comments are blocked so she dont get criticised
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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by r0jaws » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:07 pm

BTW Tropes means cliche, or something close. I had no idea what is was and had to look it up.

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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by The Beans » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:14 pm

Sel Feena wrote:Watch her videos on LEGO, they beggar belief.

Part 1
Part 2
Whatever I could learn from those videos is completely overshadowed by the fact that Lego's executive VP of products and markets apparently goes by the name of Mads Nipper.
Now that's a frickin awesome name.
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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by killbot » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:59 pm

r0jaws wrote:Are you talking from the thread here, or to the reaction on her YouTube video? Comments have been disallowed there, and TBH I think pathologically sexist is a bit strong for what has been said so far in this thread.
Isn't this the woman who's Kickstarter account was swamped with abuse, death threats, threats of sexual violence and horrendous personal insults? Gamers really don't cover themselves in glory with that kind of behaviour.

The treatment of sexual politics in most mainstream games is stone-age. At best. Insinuating that any woman who dares point this out is a Doc Marten-wearing, crew-cut sporting, man-hating lesbian is just compounding the problem.
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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by ShadowNeku » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:05 pm

nakamura wrote:Yeah have to agree. Pretty much every thing I was thinking when watching the video.

Also I love how comments and ratings are disabled. It seems a very one way opinion.
Her videos in the past have been repeatedly trolled to the extent of rape and death threats in the comments, so i imagine that's the reason for it. Supposedly somebody also created a flash game in which the goal was to punch Anita (the presenter) in the face as many times as possible.
will2097 wrote:So, she actually raised $150,000 (£100,000) to make 5 video's on this topic.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566 ... deo-games/

That's a scam right?
She did only ask for $6000, it's hardly her fault the campaign was overwhelmingly successful.
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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by DreamcastRIP » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:27 pm

HalcyonDaze00 wrote:
killbot wrote:Whatever the rights and wrongs of her argument, the reaction to it proves that many gamers are pathologically sexist.
good grief
Hear, hear!

The closest thing I've seen in this thread to being 'pathologically sexist' would be the avatar of, erm, killbot! :lol:

One can just imagine the management meeting at Nintendo with its business partners back in the day...

Hiroshi Yamauchi: Oi, Shigsy! We need more girls to be buying our games and you have signally failed to attract them.
Shigeru Miyamoto: What, my inherently sexist Donkey Kong, Super Mario Bros. and The Legend of Zelda games don't appeal to girls too?
HY: Not as much as they could do. Apart from in America where they'll buy any old crap made by us of course.
Masahiro Sakurai: I've got it! I'll design a character that's pink and fluffy because it's known fact that all girls like pink and fluffy. We'll call it Kirby.
HY: You are a genius, Sakurai san! Now, Shigsy, get back to rehashing Mario and Zelda!

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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by AmigaJay » Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:10 pm

Somedays I wish I never log on...some people are so delusional in their own heads, perhaps she can use the money to get a psychologist (and perhaps a male escort)

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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by killbot » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:17 pm

AmigaJay wrote:Somedays I wish I never log on...some people are so delusional in their own heads, perhaps she can use the money to get a psychologist (and perhaps a male escort)
Yes, a good shag will sort her out. After all, that's basically all women need.

You do realise what you sound like, right?
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Re: Tropes and sexism in gaming.

Post by ShadowNeku » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:18 pm

Well it appears this video has wound a few people up! I thought it might lead to a two sided discussion regarding the subject of women in gaming but seems the majority are in opposition to Anita's views.

She could have done with balancing the issue with examples where women take the lead in their own adventures without reliance on others, since they do exist. Unfortunately she appears to be saving that for video 11 in the series. On the other hand i would like to see women better represented in gaming without them being personified largely on gender, or by shoehorning in shallow love interests. I'd like to see JRPG's change but that's up to Japan, and their views on women seem to be fundamentally perverted.

I was going to fold myself a bit more into this thread but i've already got involved in it on Joystiq and i don't think i fancy taking on the forum :)
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