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Post by muse hunter » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:55 am

will2097 wrote:angry, argumentative, defensive and in denial. just ignore him.
brother who is a useless psychologist, that is if you haven't made him up because seriously who would moan to their brother "help me there is a nasty man on my favourite forum who is annoying me, please help me"?????? seriously maybe i'm not the one with issues here, take a look in the mirror. Christ's sake this is a forum not real life so stop treating like it is. Also i gave educated theoretical answers against the use of psycho analysis yet i haven't gotten anything in return apart from 'your in denial', brilliant answer, if you are going to use psychology on me at least back it up.
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Post by Darran@Retro Gamer » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:10 pm

I'm am receiving constant emails from people about the nature of your posts Musehunter, so I'd suggest that you calm down and stop winding people up all the time.

Consider this your first official warning...
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Post by Antiriad2097 » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:12 pm

muse hunter wrote:Christ's sake this is a forum not real life so stop treating like it is.
And this is where you fall down.

This forum IS real life.

Its not a game.

The fact its online doesn't come into it. You may as well say its okay to hurl abuse down the phone at your mother, because 'its not real, its electronic'.

Its a place where REAL people meet to discuss REAL interests they have in common, much like the pub or any other place you care to socialise.

The only downside is that we're missing the bouncers to throw you out for causing trouble.
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Post by muse hunter » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:34 pm

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muse hunter wrote:Christ's sake this is a forum not real life so stop treating like it is.
And this is where you fall down.

This forum IS real life.

Its not a game.

The fact its online doesn't come into it. You may as well say its okay to hurl abuse down the phone at your mother, because 'its not real, its electronic'.

Its a place where REAL people meet to discuss REAL interests they have in common, much like the pub or any other place you care to socialise.

The only downside is that we're missing the bouncers to throw you out for causing trouble.
you answered yourself there, pub = physical environment, internet = not physical, how can you create a society outside a physical environment? you can't, part of understanding, interpreting ,and all other aspects that create a meaning between two individuals are lost via the internet, there is no eye contact, no personality, no emotion, and no expression, how can you define what your words mean? how can you create an understanding? You lose everything that is a part of socialisation and culture, theres no shared meaning therefore there is no meaning, you could talk to someone who can't speak via the internet yet you would lose out on the true meaning you would get if you were to interact with that person using sign language.

Socialising via the internet is no different to me going down to the vets and striking up a conversation with a few dogs. There is a reaon why many believe future humans will lose social skills - because the increase in electronic communication will destroy the shared meanings humans have
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Post by Sega2006 » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:40 pm

I have a conversation with my dog :oops: Muse you truly are an idiot, even though this place is not physical enviorment it still has some community. These are Real life people that you are talking to, so this is real life. You still manage to censored them off reguardless.
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Post by will2097 » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:43 pm

I repeat: angry, argumentative, defensive and in denial. just ignore him.

So far all he has done is prove my point. If we don't engage with him, he'll be forced, by his own problems, to go else where. I promise. Time and patience, and he'll just go away. Or, from my point of view, get the professional help he really seems to need. By arguing with him, or acknowledging his alter-ego, we just making a rod for our own backs, and in turn not helping him. He has problem. We can't help. All we can do is hope he finds it in himself to address his own issues.

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Post by Sega2006 » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:44 pm

Cant we just torment him? :twisted:
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Post by muse hunter » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:53 pm

Sega2006 wrote:I have a conversation with my dog :oops: Muse you truly are an idiot, even though this place is not physical enviorment it still has some community. These are Real life people that you are talking to, so this is real life. You still manage to censored them off reguardless.
Somtimes Muse I amazed that you arent looking at your own eyeballs yet as your head is stuck that far up your arse
this is real life, but as real as me playing a videogame, what i'm doing is reality but the actions on screen are not. How can you build a community without culture and socialisation? you can't this isn't a community, i might not even be a real person? how do you know i'm not real? you don't as all you have of my exsistence is a few words on a screen, you can't prove that i exsist. So the basis of a community is lost already
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muse hunter wrote:Socialising via the internet is no different to me going down to the vets and striking up a conversation with a few dogs. There is a reaon why many believe future humans will lose social skills - because the increase in electronic communication will destroy the shared meanings humans have
censored off then.
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Post by Sega2006 » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:07 pm

Im intrested in a bit of psychology, how is it done?
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Post by Antiriad2097 » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:29 pm

muse hunter wrote:there is no eye contact,
I'll give you that one. There's no eye contact on the forum. But that isn't a requirement to participate in a community. If it were, there'd be an awful lot of blind people in trouble.

muse hunter wrote: no personality,
No. There are distinct personalities here. Yours for example. They don't have to be good ones.

muse hunter wrote: no emotion, and
This place is ful of emotion, in part its what drives it. Right now I'm angry. With you.
muse hunter wrote: no expression,
I'm no author, but I'm led to believe the English language has a fairly comprehensive grasp on that one
muse hunter wrote: how can you define what your words mean?
Dictionary?

muse hunter wrote: how can you create an understanding?
Evidently in your case we can't. We tell you you aren't wanted here. You fail to understand.
muse hunter wrote: You lose everything that is a part of socialisation and culture, theres no shared meaning therefore there is no meaning, you could talk to someone who can't speak via the internet yet you would lose out on the true meaning you would get if you were to interact with that person using sign language.
Sign language is incredibly restrictive in comparison to written english. I've had a wide range of deaf clients over the years...
muse hunter wrote: Socialising via the internet is no different to me going down to the vets and striking up a conversation with a few dogs. There is a reaon why many believe future humans will lose social skills - because the increase in electronic communication will destroy the shared meanings humans have
I can see how you'd think that, given the manner in which you abuse serious commercial forums. I can also see how you communicating with dogs would be the same as coming here - they'd be about the same level of intellect as you based on your insensibility so far.

The internet is a great social leveller - there is no deafness or blindness or incapacity here. There are only words. Those words can be intelligent. But sometimes not. You choose. I've made my decision.
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Antiriad2097 wrote:
muse hunter wrote:there is no eye contact,
I'll give you that one. There's no eye contact on the forum. But that isn't a requirement to participate in a community. If it were, there'd be an awful lot of blind people in trouble.

muse hunter wrote: no personality,
No. There are distinct personalities here. Yours for example. They don't have to be good ones.

muse hunter wrote: no emotion, and
This place is ful of emotion, in part its what drives it. Right now I'm angry. With you.
muse hunter wrote: no expression,
I'm no author, but I'm led to believe the English language has a fairly comprehensive grasp on that one
muse hunter wrote: how can you define what your words mean?
Dictionary?

muse hunter wrote: how can you create an understanding?
Evidently in your case we can't. We tell you you aren't wanted here. You fail to understand.
muse hunter wrote: You lose everything that is a part of socialisation and culture, theres no shared meaning therefore there is no meaning, you could talk to someone who can't speak via the internet yet you would lose out on the true meaning you would get if you were to interact with that person using sign language.
Sign language is incredibly restrictive in comparison to written english. I've had a wide range of deaf clients over the years...
muse hunter wrote: Socialising via the internet is no different to me going down to the vets and striking up a conversation with a few dogs. There is a reaon why many believe future humans will lose social skills - because the increase in electronic communication will destroy the shared meanings humans have
I can see how you'd think that, given the manner in which you abuse serious commercial forums. I can also see how you communicating with dogs would be the same as coming here - they'd be about the same level of intellect as you based on your insensibility so far.

The internet is a great social leveller - there is no deafness or blindness or incapacity here. There are only words. Those words can be intelligent. But sometimes not. You choose. I've made my decision.
personality - needs intimate contact to understand

emotion - again intimacy is needed, you can't experience it with words

define what words mean - the english language, no language in general is fully evolved, expression can't be worded and needs face to face contact for an understanding, culture evolves faster than language so without intimate interaction is limited

understanding - you can't create an understanding without intimate contact, full stop

written English still can't create a meaning between two people so sign language would always be better for deaf people to express themselves with.

Again language hasn't fully evolved so words by themselves are too restrictive - emotion, understanding, and expression all helps to make communicating more fuller and plays an equal part to language in creating a meaning. Maybe you can call the internet a form of socialising, if so it is one that is heavily restricted and in my mind shouldn't be thought of as such
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Post by Elgin_McQueen » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:27 pm

I think it's clear you don't think of the internet as a form of socialising. Intimacy? Does that mean you wouldn't speak to someone you don't know? Because in that place there'd actually be less intiamacy within your relationship with them than there is here. Which basically means you'd be happy talking to strangers in the same way you talk to us here. I'm glad I don't live near you to bump into you in the street, that would be scary.
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Post by muse hunter » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:54 pm

Elgin_McQueen wrote:I think it's clear you don't think of the internet as a form of socialising. Intimacy? Does that mean you wouldn't speak to someone you don't know? Because in that place there'd actually be less intiamacy within your relationship with them than there is here. Which basically means you'd be happy talking to strangers in the same way you talk to us here. I'm glad I don't live near you to bump into you in the street, that would be scary.
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