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BBC faster than the C64....Official

Post by Randall Flagg » Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:28 pm

Oh man, its 20 years ago and I'm back in the playground...LOL



So, its official. The BBC was faster than the C64. Anyone who doubts can pick up a copy of RETRO Vol.2 and flip to page 134. Dave Brabens interview discussing ELITE. Anyone who wants to argue......talk to the Braben! :wink:
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Post by Robbo » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:11 pm

It certainly wasn't as fast as the C64 off the shelves though eh...?

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Post by CrookedMouth » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:30 pm

I thought that was a known fact? same 6502 but twice the clock speed.How did they double the clock speed anyway?
It also shows what a triumph the c64 was, every other major 8bit had a faster cpu yet C64 outsold them all. :)

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Post by markopoloman » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:42 pm

CrookedMouth wrote:I thought that was a known fact? same 6502 but twice the clock speed.How did they double the clock speed anyway?
It also shows what a triumph the c64 was, every other major 8bit had a faster cpu yet C64 outsold them all. :)
And it was of course better than them all :D :P :roll:

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Post by Utini » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:46 pm

CrookedMouth wrote:How did they double the clock speed anyway?
They upped the frequency.
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Post by Randall Flagg » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:52 pm

Utini wrote:
CrookedMouth wrote:How did they double the clock speed anyway?
They upped the frequency.
Lol....Um, faster xtal?? :wink:
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Post by Randall Flagg » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:55 pm

CrookedMouth wrote:I thought that was a known fact? same 6502 but twice the clock speed.How did they double the clock speed anyway?
It also shows what a triumph the c64 was, every other major 8bit had a faster cpu yet C64 outsold them all. :)
Actually the C64 used the 6510 processor...

Quote from Wiki:

The MOS Technology 6510 is a microprocessor designed by MOS Technology, Inc., and is a direct successor of the very successful 6502.

The primary change from the 6502 was the addition of an 8-bit general purpose I/O port (only six I/O pins were available in the most common version of the 6510). In addition, the address bus could be made tristate.
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Post by CrookedMouth » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:07 pm

Damn another mistake on my part. Wasn't there a Brit computer that shared the same cpu though?

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Post by Utini » Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:02 pm

Randall Flagg wrote:
Utini wrote:
CrookedMouth wrote:How did they double the clock speed anyway?
They upped the frequency.
Lol....Um, faster xtal?? :wink:
Given that xtal is having zero meaning here, I'm guessing all they did was over clock the 6502. (Infact, I know they did this, as a lot of my 6502 code had to be adjusted for underclocked machines).

Still the BBC and the C64 were awesome machines, the C64 especially as it had some groovy custom chips on it.
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Post by Dudley » Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:58 am

Randall Flagg wrote:Oh man, its 20 years ago and I'm back in the playground...LOL



So, its official. The BBC was faster than the C64. Anyone who doubts can pick up a copy of RETRO Vol.2 and flip to page 134. Dave Brabens interview discussing ELITE. Anyone who wants to argue......talk to the Braben! :wink:
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Post by Antiriad2097 » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:10 am

CrookedMouth wrote:Wasn't there a Brit computer that shared the same cpu though?
The Oric range were 6502 based systems. 1Mhz 6502A :oops:
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Post by Sureshot » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:04 am

Dudley wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:Oh man, its 20 years ago and I'm back in the playground...LOL



So, its official. The BBC was faster than the C64. Anyone who doubts can pick up a copy of RETRO Vol.2 and flip to page 134. Dave Brabens interview discussing ELITE. Anyone who wants to argue......talk to the Braben! :wink:
SNES : 3.58mhz
Master System : 3.57mhz.

Speed does not tell the story at all.
Yeah, the SMS was way better than the SNES. :wink:

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Post by Jonathan » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:42 am

CrookedMouth wrote:It also shows what a triumph the c64 was, every other major 8bit had a faster cpu yet C64 outsold them all. :)
Not in the UK it didn't. :)

The C64 did have some very nice support chips which helped make up for the slower CPU.

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Post by CrookedMouth » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:27 am

Jonathan wrote:
Not in the UK it didn't. :)

The C64 did have some very nice support chips which helped make up for the slower CPU.

true, I'm talking worldwide. plus sales does not equate to "better" just more succesful. I've seen more c64s in the trash at the dump than any other computer. coincidence? :shock:

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Post by OriginalJax » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:03 am

CrookedMouth wrote: I've seen more c64s in the trash at the dump than any other computer. coincidence? :shock:
Coincidence? No - the Spectrums, CPC's and Beeb's ended up in the skip *years* before the C64's ;)

(Just kidding - I liked the Beeb, although only every really got to use one at school/college - they were just too damned expensive!)

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