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"Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinclair

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:43 am
by Mire Mare
"Our machines were lean and efficient. The sad thing is that today's computers totally abuse their memory - totally wasteful, you have to wait for the damn things to boot up, just appalling designs. Absolute mess! So dreadful it's heartbreaking." - Sir Clive Sinclair

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/magazine-12703674

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:46 am
by Crunchy
The man who put out the C5, absolute dorkdom personified, pointing fingers at other people's designs? :shock:

He's right about the memory though.

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:25 am
by Scapegoat
Crunchy wrote:The man who put out the C5, absolute dorkdom personified, pointing fingers at other people's designs? :shock:

He's right about the memory though.
The C5 was a brilliant idea, it's just that the technology wasn't there to match his ideas.

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:48 am
by DreamcastRIP
Mire Mare wrote:"Our machines were lean and efficient. The sad thing is that today's computers totally abuse their memory - totally wasteful, you have to wait for the damn things to boot up, just appalling designs. Absolute mess! So dreadful it's heartbreaking." - Sir Clive Sinclair

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/magazine-12703674
Spot-on. Its not the first time he's said such a thing either. I recall him saying pretty much the same thing in an interview he did in Popular Computing Weekly. I no longer own the issue in question but, iirc, it was probably 10-15 years ago that it was published. As to why I still remember it, well that's because his words struck a chord with me.

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:04 am
by c0nfu53d
That ok for his computers - they were simple. I'd like to see anybody come up with a computer that boots as fast as Sir Clive Sinclair's and runs complicated modern progams. Progress and all that jazz.

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:11 am
by DreamcastRIP
Out of interest, now long does it take for an iPod touch to boot up from the moment its switched on? I realise it wouldn't be instant like a Speccy, for example, but I'd have thought its about as good as it gets these days?

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:27 am
by Matt_B
He's obviously just using the wrong machines, as it's entirely possible to get a lightweight Linux to boot in under ten seconds on the right hardware.

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:53 am
by Crunchy
Scapegoat wrote:
Crunchy wrote:The man who put out the C5, absolute dorkdom personified, pointing fingers at other people's designs? :shock:

He's right about the memory though.
The C5 was a brilliant idea, it's just that the technology wasn't there to match his ideas.
The handlebars were under your knees.

Under your knees.

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:11 am
by Liamh1982
Matt_B wrote:He's obviously just using the wrong machines, as it's entirely possible to get a lightweight Linux to boot in under ten seconds on the right hardware.
Ubuntu boots far faster on my PC than Windows ever did - don't get me wrong, I like a lot of things about Windows, but it's not exactly speedy on an old thing like mine!

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:58 am
by sirclive1
Crunchy wrote:
Scapegoat wrote:
Crunchy wrote:The man who put out the C5, absolute dorkdom personified, pointing fingers at other people's designs? :shock:

He's right about the memory though.
The C5 was a brilliant idea, it's just that the technology wasn't there to match his ideas.
The handlebars were under your knees.

Under your knees.
Under your thighs (top of / near your arse cheeks) more like , unless your knees were attached to your arse .

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:05 am
by CraigGrannell
DreamcastRIP wrote:Out of interest, now long does it take for an iPod touch to boot up from the moment its switched on? I realise it wouldn't be instant like a Speccy, for example, but I'd have thought its about as good as it gets these days?
iPods take bloody ages—anything up to a minute to boot. New Macs are pretty quick, especially SSD ones, which will boot in seconds. But Sir Clive is right—people are inefficient when programming these days. Once, every byte counted. Now, no-one cares. This is why you have games that are a gig when they could be a few hundred meg, or 500k PNGs on websites that could really do with 90k JPEGs.

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:11 am
by Crunchy
sirclive1 wrote:
Crunchy wrote: The handlebars were under your knees.

Under your knees.
Under your thighs (top of / near your arse cheeks) more like , unless your knees were attached to your arse .
Yeah. Crap, wasn't it? :lol:

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:44 am
by MattyC64c
CraigGrannell wrote:
DreamcastRIP wrote:Out of interest, now long does it take for an iPod touch to boot up from the moment its switched on? I realise it wouldn't be instant like a Speccy, for example, but I'd have thought its about as good as it gets these days?
iPods take bloody ages—anything up to a minute to boot. New Macs are pretty quick, especially SSD ones, which will boot in seconds. But Sir Clive is right—people are inefficient when programming these days. Once, every byte counted. Now, no-one cares. This is why you have games that are a gig when they could be a few hundred meg, or 500k PNGs on websites that could really do with 90k JPEGs.
My 4th gen iPod took 27 seconds to boot from off. My old 1st gen model took well over a minute, note though, the 1st gen iPod has a 400Mhz processor and the 4th Gen has a 800Mhz processor. Out of interest how long does it take an iPad to boot, or an iPad 2?

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:07 pm
by c0nfu53d
Crunchy wrote:
sirclive1 wrote:
Crunchy wrote: The handlebars were under your knees.

Under your knees.
Under your thighs (top of / near your arse cheeks) more like , unless your knees were attached to your arse .
Yeah. Crap, wasn't it? :lol:
The C5 was crap, but the concept was ahead of it's time, elecric cars are now coming in fasion.

Plus it did spawn Revenge Of The C5 video game for the CPC/SPEC - although I'm not sure thats a good thing...

http://www.cpcgamereviews.com/r/revenge_of_the_c5.png

Re: "Our machines were lean and efficient." - Sir Clive Sinc

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:12 pm
by resident paul
I wondered if he watched 'Micro Men'? :P