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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by Sureshot » Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:31 am

IronMaidenRule wrote:Wasnt there also one called Computer Zone??
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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by Mr Vengeance » Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:42 am

Loftgroover wrote:I dont get all the moaning about the pre owned/trades at GAME....ignoring the fact you shouldn't even be there unless you are buying for your grandkids...

"Their pre-owned are only 3 quid less than new" - So buy a new one or go elsewhere...

"They only offered me 50p for my game and sell it for 40 quid" - So say no to their offer and go elsewhere. Or keep it. Or ebay it. Or sell it here.

every couple of days there is a thread like this, we dont live in a communist state they dont force you to go there.

Yeah I see where you're coming from, but it can be very frustrating for a customer when GAME price things stupidly. You end up having to leave and arse about on eBay or wherever, when you just want a decent service right there in front of you right then.

GAME really don't market pre-owned correctly. I used to work with GAME, and I also used to work with GameStop. GameStop know how to price pre-owned and change prices according with the price of the title as new - GAME don't, thus we see games going for more second hand than we see them go for new :roll: Customers see that, complain and end up leaving the store - PR disaster like :?
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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by merman » Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:49 am

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Nemesis wrote:Popped into GAME this lunchtime & was perusing the Wii section when I noticed a new copy of Tatsunoko vs Capcom going for £29.99. Nothing unusual there perhaps, but then I looked at the 2nd hand section & found the same title for £27.99, yes a whole £2 off. Fortunately, I bought this title online for a cheaper price than the second hand copy but what a rip off! I sincerely hope they go bust for conning the ignorant. Perhaps games should have the label "Cavaet emptor" = Let the buyer beware.

How are they conning the ignorant? You pays your money and takes your choice.
That's true but if you don't know any better (or the games market in general) then you could end up paying over the odds for a game you could get cheaper elsewhere. Not everybody has an Ebay account or access to the internet even in this modern age.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY AT THEIR PRICE, you can go elsewhere. I repeat, they are not "conning" anyone. Over time the market sets the price - Tatsunoko vs Capcom is going to keep its value because it's not going to be a huge seller. Since it's only just been released over here, the pre-owned price is going to be a substantial percentage of the full price. Over time it will drop, and GAME have such regular sales you can pick up real bargains.

As for hoping Tesco and Asda "do things right", that's a forlorn hope. Their pre-owned prices will be as high as GAME's or HMV's, and with the heavy discount of high profile new titles it will be harder to find a bargain.
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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by IronMaidenRule » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:50 pm

One day video game stores will not exist, looking at current trends everything will be going DLC only.

You only have to look at what EA are doing with browser based games, Battlefield Heros, Fifa and Tiger Woods online.

It would not surprise me if the next Xbox or Playstation had no optical drive and all the games were download only, that way Microsoft/Sony can dictate the prices and there would no longer be any controversy of Publisher loosing money on second hand retail and piracy.

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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by ToxieDogg » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:59 pm

IronMaidenRule wrote:It would not surprise me if the next Xbox or Playstation had no optical drive and all the games were download only, that way Microsoft/Sony can dictate the prices and there would no longer be any controversy of Publisher loosing money on second hand retail and piracy.
Judging by the massive success of the PSPGo, it would certainly surprise me! :wink:
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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by IronMaidenRule » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:07 pm

I think the PSPgo is possibly a little trial in this scenario. At the moment prices are high because console sales are low, due to the market for the UMD psp's.

But if Xbox/Sony released a brand new console that was superior to the 360/PS3 and was download only, then they may have a market to release games at cheaper prices.

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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by James A » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:58 pm

IronMaidenRule wrote:I think the PSPgo is possibly a little trial in this scenario. At the moment prices are high because console sales are low, due to the market for the UMD psp's.

But if Xbox/Sony released a brand new console that was superior to the 360/PS3 and was download only, then they may have a market to release games at cheaper prices.
If the current prices for full download games on Xbox live and the PSP Go are anything to go by then thats a no hoper then. Some of the PSP prices are bordering on criminal. In the end they will charge what they want and given half a chance they will wring every last penny out of you.
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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by IronMaidenRule » Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:33 pm

James A wrote:
IronMaidenRule wrote:I think the PSPgo is possibly a little trial in this scenario. At the moment prices are high because console sales are low, due to the market for the UMD psp's.

But if Xbox/Sony released a brand new console that was superior to the 360/PS3 and was download only, then they may have a market to release games at cheaper prices.
If the current prices for full download games on Xbox live and the PSP Go are anything to go by then thats a no hoper then. Some of the PSP prices are bordering on criminal. In the end they will charge what they want and given half a chance they will wring every last penny out of you.
Agreed they will charge high prices and get away with it as there will be no other means of buying the games.

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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by ToxieDogg » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:36 pm

IronMaidenRule wrote:Agreed they will charge high prices and get away with it as there will be no other means of buying the games.
Hence why most gamers are still very resistent to the idea and why any console manufacturer is going to have to think very long and hard before they take the plunge and make their main console 'download only', considering the massively negative reception that the PSPGo was met with. I certainly don't agree that it's download prices are high because sales of the console were low...that's typical of Sony being a bunch of greedy feckers, although I'm pretty sure that Microsoft and Nintendo wouldn't be any better if they released a download only console. It's also the high prices of the downloads that have driven many people away from the PSPGo rather than preference of UMDs, I would have thought. :? That, and the fact that 'regular' PSPs are much easier to hack with custom firmware as far as I can tell :wink: Game sales on the PSP have never been particularly great in any format.

I have no doubt that download only for everything will happen one day....but it's a lot further away than many people think. I reckon the current system (a mixture of both with mainly disc releases) is going to carry on for a couple of generations yet at least, until the big companies can be 100% sure that they're going to make a massive profit going down the download only route.
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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by Rayne » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:48 pm

ToxieDogg wrote:...that's typical of Sony being a bunch of greedy feckers
Prices are high because it's the publisher/developer that chooses them, not Sony. Many of the games are very reasonable (Disgaea on PSP is only a tenner. Try finding a physical copy cheaper than that)

Imo, Micro$oft are the worst for penny pinching this gen.
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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by Mr Vengeance » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:11 pm

Rayne wrote:
ToxieDogg wrote:...that's typical of Sony being a bunch of greedy feckers
Prices are high because it's the publisher/developer that chooses them, not Sony. Many of the games are very reasonable (Disgaea on PSP is only a tenner. Try finding a physical copy cheaper than that)

Imo, Micro$oft are the worst for penny pinching this gen.
They're all businesses at the end of the day, but sometimes they do stupid stuff that gets on peoples' nerves. The cost of games on Xbox Live compared to their shop equivalents annoys the feck out of me, and just makes me get my games from the local shop a day or two after I get the inclination to buy one of them.

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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by Nemesis » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:05 am

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY AT THEIR PRICE, you can go elsewhere. I repeat, they are not "conning" anyone. Over time the market sets the price - Tatsunoko vs Capcom is going to keep its value because it's not going to be a huge seller. Since it's only just been released over here, the pre-owned price is going to be a substantial percentage of the full price. Over time it will drop, and GAME have such regular sales you can pick up real bargains.

As for hoping Tesco and Asda "do things right", that's a forlorn hope. Their pre-owned prices will be as high as GAME's or HMV's, and with the heavy discount of high profile new titles it will be harder to find a bargain.[/quote]

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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by nakamura » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:56 am

If it goes download only and prices are set high for what is essentially files I can see piracy going through the roof.
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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by merman » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:20 pm

Nemesis wrote:
merman wrote:BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY AT THEIR PRICE, you can go elsewhere. I repeat, they are not "conning" anyone. Over time the market sets the price - Tatsunoko vs Capcom is going to keep its value because it's not going to be a huge seller. Since it's only just been released over here, the pre-owned price is going to be a substantial percentage of the full price. Over time it will drop, and GAME have such regular sales you can pick up real bargains.

As for hoping Tesco and Asda "do things right", that's a forlorn hope. Their pre-owned prices will be as high as GAME's or HMV's, and with the heavy discount of high profile new titles it will be harder to find a bargain.
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No, I don't. But I hate the knee-jerk name-calling when a company/shop does something that people don't like. THERE IS NO CON INVOLVED with Game charging that much for Tatsunoko vs Capcom. I explained that. We're lucky to still have a dedicated high street retailer that specialises in games. Losing that would be bad for the industry.
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Re: Another low for GAME

Post by Nemesis » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:42 pm

That's true but if you don't know any better (or the games market in general) then you could end up paying over the odds for a game you could get cheaper elsewhere. Not everybody has an Ebay account or access to the internet even in this modern age.[/quote]


BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY AT THEIR PRICE, you can go elsewhere. I repeat, they are not "conning" anyone. Over time the market sets the price - Tatsunoko vs Capcom is going to keep its value because it's not going to be a huge seller. Since it's only just been released over here, the pre-owned price is going to be a substantial percentage of the full price. Over time it will drop, and GAME have such regular sales you can pick up real bargains.

As for hoping Tesco and Asda "do things right", that's a forlorn hope. Their pre-owned prices will be as high as GAME's or HMV's, and with the heavy discount of high profile new titles it will be harder to find a bargain.[/quote]

@Merman. Okay, point number 1: "BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY AT THEIR PRICE, you can go elsewhere" - Yes, & that's a point I already acknowledged in my opening post. I bought Tatsunoko Vs Capcom online & not via GAME because it was cheaper on the internet. You & I will be savvy customers when it comes to purchasing video-games, therefore, we'll always look at the available alternatives. Just as I don't have to shop at Waitrose to buy my over-priced food shopping, I don't have to pay over-priced titles from GAME. However, not every family member is as savvy when buying game titles for their loved ones. Additionally, there's no need to BOLD your response as I do not have a deficiency in my eyesight, but thanks for your consideration anyway.

Point 2 " the market sets the price - Tatsunoko vs Capcom is going to keep its value because it's not going to be a huge seller. Since it's only just been released over here, the pre-owned price is going to be a substantial percentage of the full price." - It's true that you can't expect a big discount on a game that has been out for a few weeks compared to one which has been on the shelf for over a year, however, £2 off for a second hand copy is still pretty poor no matter how recent a release it is. You don't know how the original buyer treated his/her copy at the time. The disc could be scratched (albeit working perfectly fine) & the packaging damaged too. Not huge issues admittedly, but still there all the same.

Point 3 "As for hoping Tesco and Asda "do things right", that's a forlorn hope. Their pre-owned prices will be as high as GAME's or HMV's, and with the heavy discount of high profile new titles it will be harder to find a bargain." - A point where I can say we agree. Supermarkets are following the sales template set out by GAME but then offering a narrower selection of titles with shelf space reserved for the big hitters. Supermarkets will mainly be for impulse purchases when collecting your weekly shop. However, bargains will be reserved for new releases where the supermarkets can sell them as "loss leaders" to get customers in store.
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