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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by MediaCult » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:33 am

Wrong? According to whom?

But I'd say that only playing retro games is a wasted opportunity. IMO newer games ARE more entertaining; older games just have a quality to them innovative/story wise that newer games lack.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by rossi46 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:46 am

I believe I've finally found a good balance for my gaming habits. I play PSP for modern stuff, A320 for MD, Snes, GBA, NeoGeo and CPS1/2 emulation and of course, my Saturn most of all. It doesn't take up much room and is (mostly) portable :)

I play roughly 85% retro constantly and I don't have a problem.

**Edit** I forgot I have a 360, too, but the last time that was on is anyone's guess :oops:
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by C=Style » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:07 am

Emperor Fossil wrote:
C=Style wrote:You've grown up! Things aren't as magical or exciting as they once were.
I know what you mean. When I was a kid, I could spends hours poring over the pack a Star Wars figure came in, drooling over the collection of figures displayed on the back, admiring every small detail, wishing I could get my grubby hands on every one of them.

Now, only porn has that effect.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Megamixer » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:15 am

I tend to just view gaming as a whole (not break things down into 'retro' and 'current') and just play whatever grabs my interest on whatever system it happens to be on.

My current set-up/gaming habits seem to be a fairly equal mix of last-gen stuff and 16/32bit games.

That said, you should just play what you enjoy regardless of age etc. since there's no point sinking time into things that have no entertainment value on a personal level.
Retro is a state of mind, and cares not for your puny concepts like dates and calendars.

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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by C=Style » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:37 am

Red_Avatar wrote:This is something I've been contemplating for years and I don't quite agree with the "it's because you were a kid" statement. Here's why:

As a kid, there were a couple of consoles I owned: a Gameboy and an Atari 2600. If I now play most Gameboy games, even those I played back then, I get bored very quickly. Why? Because most of them are just plainly dull and soulless. On my Atari 2600, it's a bit of a different story: when my father bought us one, it was already after the Atari 2600 had "died" (in 1990) so the games were already outdated by our standards (heck, the SNES was just about to be released). The games were still a lot of fun, though: Midnight Magic, a pinball game, is STILL a lot of fun today, regardless of retro feelings. Defender? Same thing. Enduro? Great! As basic as these games were, they were amazing at their basics.

In 1993 I discovered PC games and a big part of the market were games made by bedroom coders or small developers. Even id Software were only a dozen or so people working in a small office. Most games back then had a real soul: the style, atmosphere and music really flowed together.

These days, games are made by 100+ people who each work in separate sections. The sheer number means that only a few actually coordinate the rest, who are not involved in the total process and that's the problem. If you now look at many indy developers, you see that they have that same sparkle as the old Amiga and PC games. World of Goo nearly made me cry because this would have been one heck of a hit 15 years ago on PC and it's a real retro game at heart with lots of soul.

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Some good points there. The 2600 may well be fun with some great gameplay, I don't think anyone is disputing that but if you want to compare this pinball game you mention with say Pinball FX on 360 which do you think is better? Also I think with this gen we have realised that there is a market for retro and the old type games don't deserve to just be shut away in a draw forever, hence why PSN and XBLA are so big. There are many games on these 2 formats which cater for retro tastes and some of the games are absolutely brilliant.

Even if you haven't adapted to modern gaming then I think XBLA is reason alone to own a 360. But there is no game on the 2600 that has gameplay better than what's out there today, if you think different fine but it's pure nostalgia talking.

But you do have more imagination when you are a kid which made these old games so great. I could throw myself into Spectrum/C64/MSX games and actually feel part of the action, this is how my mind worked, just like when you played with your friends or toys you could create your very own magical world out of nothing but your head. When you grow up you see things more on a "as they are" basis and it's much harder to lose yourself in games, unless you're on drugs lol.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Havantgottaclue » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:52 am

C=Style wrote:But there is no game on the 2600 that has gameplay better than what's out there today ...
Except for Frostbite :)

There do however seem to be some games where the new tech seems to be redundant - the new Rocket Knight Adventures game, whose graphical style is attracting a fair quantity of opprobrium in another thread, seems to be an example of that. It seems that the developers, deciding that they want to create a new RKA game, have technology at their disposal that they can't resist using, unlike the creators of Braid, for example. It does seem to demonstrate how with certain types of games the technology of previous-gen machines is actually perfectly adequate for certain game styles, and if some folks are happy with those game styles, there's nothing compelling them to move on, really.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Commander Jameson » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:19 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:Its just another of those odd perceptions. Nothing wrong with sticking to old games if they offer the styles and genres you want to play.

Nobody considers watching old films odd, so why should it be different for games?

We're just able to pick from the cream of the crop now. Just as we watch only 'good' old films (or bad ones for their novelty value/charm), so it is with games. You're selective in what you play, but you have the knowledge to play what you know you'll like (or experiment with things that you might) as the entry costs are usually low if not nil.

Don't think of it as only playing retro games, just think of it as playing games. Production date shouldn't be an issue. I'd far rather watch Aliens (a most excellent action/monster movie) than watch Outlander again (that was a wasted Saturday night). Doesn't make me a retro viewer.
EXACTLY!!

I've been saying this for ages now - you aren't really a Retro Gamer unless you ONLY play Retro games - which none of us do, I think.
What we do do, (ppft - doodoo) is play all games, and have an appreciation for the older stuff - we're game buffs, or game afficianados, or game fanatics!
I don't play old games, or new games, or Wii games, or Xbox 360 games, or good looking games, or nostalgiac games- I play games. Good games. Regardless of age, format, or appearance.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Commander Jameson » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:19 am

Antiriad2097 wrote:Its just another of those odd perceptions. Nothing wrong with sticking to old games if they offer the styles and genres you want to play.

Nobody considers watching old films odd, so why should it be different for games?

We're just able to pick from the cream of the crop now. Just as we watch only 'good' old films (or bad ones for their novelty value/charm), so it is with games. You're selective in what you play, but you have the knowledge to play what you know you'll like (or experiment with things that you might) as the entry costs are usually low if not nil.

Don't think of it as only playing retro games, just think of it as playing games. Production date shouldn't be an issue. I'd far rather watch Aliens (a most excellent action/monster movie) than watch Outlander again (that was a wasted Saturday night). Doesn't make me a retro viewer.
EXACTLY!!

I've been saying this for ages now - you aren't really a Retro Gamer unless you ONLY play Retro games - which none of us do, I think.
What we do do, (ppft - doodoo) is play all games, and have an appreciation for the older stuff - we're game buffs, or game afficianados, or game fanatics!
I don't play old games, or new games, or Wii games, or Xbox 360 games, or good looking games, or nostalgiac games- I play games. Good games. Regardless of age, format, or appearance.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by thl » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:30 am

I don't see anything wrong with being a retro only gamer. Everybody does it as they're in search for that nostalgic value and would intend to build upon that to liven up their ambition.

Nowadays it's become a mixture for me as I spent most time playing current gens (notably games such as COD4 and PES series). Going back to vintage gaming can be limited as the playing time is likely to be cut short. Still you always keep going back to it as long you're familiar with consoles and games that change your life over the past years.

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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Emperor Fossil » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:53 am

Havantgottaclue wrote:
C=Style wrote:But there is no game on the 2600 that has gameplay better than what's out there today ...
Except for Frostbite :)
Speaking of which, how's that conversion coming along? eh, eh, eh? *jab jab*

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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Havantgottaclue » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:04 am

Emperor Fossil wrote:
Havantgottaclue wrote:
C=Style wrote:But there is no game on the 2600 that has gameplay better than what's out there today ...
Except for Frostbite :)
Speaking of which, how's that conversion coming along? eh, eh, eh? *jab jab*
That's a very good point actually - I haven't done anything on it for quite a while! I have been spending too many hours on the 360 playing time-sinker games like Fallout 3 and Lost Oddysey. A return to work on my project is long overdue. :)
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Britnostalgic » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:42 am

I dunno, have Computer games really changed that much over the years… even if they could I’m not entirely sure it’d be for the better. Don’t get me wrong, I love playing games to bits, especially retro… and there are plenty of good games and new ideas arriving all the time… but in most cases I’ve seen it all before. I kinda get the feeling I’m just forking out for the same safe ride in a different park over and over again.

Aren’t new games really still like playing the older games, with all the breakthroughs in video games being in the looks department, sound and presentation.

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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by C=Style » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:00 am

Britnostalgic wrote: Aren’t new games really still like playing the older games, with all the breakthroughs in video games being in the looks department, sound and presentation.
Not really, I mean there has always been a steady stream of innovation and it hasn't just suddenly stopped. There's always new additional gameplay featured being added to games these days, take the rewind function in racing games, I absolutely despise it but it's a new feature none the less. Then there's the cover system in FPS games, it's a newish feature that's slowly making it's way into most games. Of course there's not really been so far this gen a "blow your head off" game like GTA III or Mario 64 but that doesn't mean innovation isn't happening. I think the bigger surprises are out the way (until we go 3D TV or something), now the focus is more on refinement as tbh the quality of games released now is much higher, even an average game today can still be supremely playable in all the right areas. We have retro to thank for that, learning from mistakes of the past it's what evolution is all about.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Matt_B » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:44 am

One thing I'd say is that no matter how conservative and unoriginal the modern gaming mainstream seems, pretty much every game idea that's ever been had is being kept alive by an indie developer somewhere; quite possibly it's as part of an open source project that you could take a part in. As such, there really should be something out there for everyone, no matter if you think the industry has lost the plot and when you think that happened.

Still, I don't think there's any 360 game that can hold a candle to Chaos or Lords of Midnight. :wink:

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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Andykiwi » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:47 am

There have been lots of really GREAT games made in the last 30 years.

There has also been a vast sea of trashy games made! :?

Luckily for us now, we can sort the wheat from the chaff (or let others do that for us) and pick the best games out of the stacks of trash.

(Trashy old games shall remain nameless. :wink: )

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