Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

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Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Denny Haynes » Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:58 pm

You know of late i'm only playing retrogames, be it Captive or Datastorm on the amiga, Matrix on the Vic 20 or some other C64 delight from the past. I just seem so bored with whats dished up today by companies taking the safe bet and sticking out a game which are more or less clones of each other. Why do so many games today lack the soul and excitement that i used to get many moons ago from a humble Vic 20 game (yeah i was there at the dawn of home gaming lol). Even up to when i got my Amiga i couldn't wait to get the lastest release and load it up. Thing is with so many games from the past i'll never be at a loss to play something, obviously i never had the money to buy all games i ever wanted so i look back on what i missed and go through a huge backlog of games i want to play. I dunno is it me stuck in a past knowing i'll never have that bug for games i used to have or is it a case of wanting to relive something that was a very special time in my life.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Lorfarius » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:04 pm

I don't think it is. I think as myself as an all rounder buying the odd omdern game from time to time though I rarely concentrate on the modern stuff these days. I bought Batman recently and have preordered Brutal Legends but those were more on a whim rather than stuff I've been waiting for. 99% of my cash goes on retro gear just have to look at my YT channel to see that.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by thevulture » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:07 pm

There is nothing 'wrong' with playing captive. On of THE best games i`ve ever played.

'Tony Crowther' is a genius and i`d love to see Captive and Realms of the haunting get a remake for this generation.

I recently bought on day of release:

Batman:A.A on PS3-Great game, but not ripping me the way the classics of yesterday were.

and Halo:ODST, which i`m pretty non-impressed with.

In contrast, I cannot wait for the royal mail to deliver my PSP back to me, now that the legend that is Zetro has ever so kindly chucked on so many emulators and classic titles.

I`ve yet to find a game since Xcom on PSone that has kept me gaming for hours and that i return to time after time despite completing lord knows how many times.

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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Grizzly » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:09 pm

i have been migrating back to retro more and more recently. i have noticed an ever growing tedium with modern games recently and the prospect of new call of duty titles just makes my head spin rather than glee with excitement. i have picked up a few consoles that i never gave the time of day back when i could have got them new and i feel all the better for it. im either playing some games that are unheard of or marveling at why some of these consoles failed in the way that they did. i find that quest more interesting than photo realistic gaming nowadays.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by ipmarks » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:17 pm

I pretty much only play retro stuff nowadays.

I still buy modern games, but spend very little time with them... in the last few months I've bought the following games
Halo ODST
The Orange Box
Little Big Planet
GTA Chinatown Wars

Have spent under 4 hours combined playing the first three, never seem to get the time modern games seem to need you to put into them.
Have put slightly more time into Chinatown, but it then started to bore me, as it got too hard for my ageing incompetence

The quick fix of retro games is something I love about them. I think I fire up my Speccy and Manic Miner at least once a week.

In the words of the Fast Show ... this week I have mostly been playing Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom on Mame.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by FatTrucker » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:32 pm

Do whatever floats your boat mate. There's no rule that dictates what people should and shouldn't do....we have forums for that. :wink:
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by C=Style » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:07 pm

I've done it myself, totally went off current gen gaming (this was last gen) and solely played retro for a couple of years. I don't think there is anything wrong with it at all, and I actually have a strange respect for people who do it. However, I personally think retro gamers make the BIGGEST fanboys and put Xbot/Sony ones to shame. The reason I say this is because retrogamers who solely play retro tend to develop an unhealthily love for their console(s) of choice and it warps their brains into thinking that retro is the only ways and means to get a true gameplay fix. When this starts to happen it's not good.

I guess this is just my opinion but both modern and retro have their place but it's gets very annoying listening to retro only owners moaning about the good old days and how gaming these days is in a sad state of affairs, when in all honesty it's never been better.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by DPrinny » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:14 pm

Most modern games dont have the soul of the ones of old

I was gonna go to the Eurogamer thing in Leeds to complain about the lack of things that get my interest but I don't have the cash

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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by C=Style » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:18 pm

Denny Haynes wrote:I just seem so bored with whats dished up today by companies taking the safe bet and sticking out a game which are more or less clones of each other. Why do so many games today lack the soul and excitement that i used to get many moons ago from a humble Vic 20 game (yeah i was there at the dawn of home gaming lol). Even up to when i got my Amiga i couldn't wait to get the lastest release and load it up.
Well, let's put it this way; gaming hasn't changed as much as you have. You've grown up! Things aren't as magical or exciting as they once were. Does Christmas fill you with the same excitment as it once did when you were a child?

Trust me, if I gave a C64 to my friends kid (whose 12 years old) do you think he would be excited by that? but I see that very same excitement that I had with these machines in his eyes when he's playing (or talking about!) Xbox 360. It's a case of when you grow up you lose a certain amount of imagination as your brain is filtered.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Joey » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:36 pm

C=style you've got it right on there and I'm glad someone else thinks this. It's just down to pure nostalgia and it can be a horrible thing at times. Resulting in what you said about retro only players going on about the so called 'good old days' and all games today can't live up to games of the past.

I'm sure the kids of today who have grown up knowing nothing earlier than the current gen will be saying the same thing in 20 years time so I don't see gaming machines of the 80's being something more than machines of recent years. It's all down to personal taste.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Emperor Fossil » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:39 pm

C=Style wrote:You've grown up! Things aren't as magical or exciting as they once were.
I know what you mean. When I was a kid, I could spends hours poring over the pack a Star Wars figure came in, drooling over the collection of figures displayed on the back, admiring every small detail, wishing I could get my grubby hands on every one of them.

Now, only porn has that effect.

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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by timewarpgamer » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:20 pm

Of course not. It's just a personal preference. There are so many retro games out there that you could easily spend a lifetime exploring and enjoying them, especially if you focus on a prolific system like the NES or Commodore 64.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Antiriad2097 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:16 am

Its just another of those odd perceptions. Nothing wrong with sticking to old games if they offer the styles and genres you want to play.

Nobody considers watching old films odd, so why should it be different for games?

We're just able to pick from the cream of the crop now. Just as we watch only 'good' old films (or bad ones for their novelty value/charm), so it is with games. You're selective in what you play, but you have the knowledge to play what you know you'll like (or experiment with things that you might) as the entry costs are usually low if not nil.

Don't think of it as only playing retro games, just think of it as playing games. Production date shouldn't be an issue. I'd far rather watch Aliens (a most excellent action/monster movie) than watch Outlander again (that was a wasted Saturday night). Doesn't make me a retro viewer.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by Red_Avatar » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:18 am

This is something I've been contemplating for years and I don't quite agree with the "it's because you were a kid" statement. Here's why:

As a kid, there were a couple of consoles I owned: a Gameboy and an Atari 2600. If I now play most Gameboy games, even those I played back then, I get bored very quickly. Why? Because most of them are just plainly dull and soulless. On my Atari 2600, it's a bit of a different story: when my father bought us one, it was already after the Atari 2600 had "died" (in 1990) so the games were already outdated by our standards (heck, the SNES was just about to be released). The games were still a lot of fun, though: Midnight Magic, a pinball game, is STILL a lot of fun today, regardless of retro feelings. Defender? Same thing. Enduro? Great! As basic as these games were, they were amazing at their basics.

In 1993 I discovered PC games and a big part of the market were games made by bedroom coders or small developers. Even id Software were only a dozen or so people working in a small office. Most games back then had a real soul: the style, atmosphere and music really flowed together.

These days, games are made by 100+ people who each work in separate sections. The sheer number means that only a few actually coordinate the rest, who are not involved in the total process and that's the problem. If you now look at many indy developers, you see that they have that same sparkle as the old Amiga and PC games. World of Goo nearly made me cry because this would have been one heck of a hit 15 years ago on PC and it's a real retro game at heart with lots of soul.

I also blame it on the industry changing. While the industry was laid back in the 80's and early 90's, they're not "professionals". Even magazines seem to be afraid to reporting anything but black & white facts. Anyone who's read the older UK magazines like Amiga Power and Your Sinclair will know what a monumental difference there is with modern magazines which are afraid to step on a publisher's toe. Even the early PC Gamer UK was of tremendous quality and contained lots of comedy and wit. The result is that even IF developers wanted to make a certain game, the publisher would have to agree and these publishers are not gamers: they're businessmen and they compare the success of other games with the new game. Anything "new" means they have nothing to compare it with and thus it's a risk - and they don't like risks.

Sooooo - this is my point: many retro games are a lot different from modern games. As polished as those are, they're nearly always clones of other successful games. We rarely see anything new coming out of the industry and so modern games feel stale. This happened back in the days of the SNES as well, with hordes of mediocre platform games nearly killing the genre. The developers of old were tightly knit teams of talented folks who knew what gamers wanted and had nearly had carte blanche. Modern developers got to bend over backwards and have to be able to almost garantee a game will sell so innovation is thrown out of the window. While we saw massive improvements in games in the early 90s, we've seen nearly none over the past 10 years, apart from graphical ones.

And many retro games ARE just more fresh, ironically, than modern games. I can pick up games I've never seen or played before and enjoy it, because it doesn't feel like yet another Call of Duty wannabe. Our minds can only enjoy a type of games so much until it becomes stale.
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Re: Is being a retro only gamer wrong?

Post by psj3809 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:50 am

Denny Haynes wrote:I dunno is it me stuck in a past knowing i'll never have that bug for games i used to have or is it a case of wanting to relive something that was a very special time in my life.
Bit of everything for me. I'm not stuck in the past but of course these old games bring back great memories. For me one of the biggest things is time, havent got 3 hours in an evening to sit down and play some huge RPG game on the PC/console due to family life. I'm quite happy with emulators so i can have a quick blast here and there, many of the old games you can have a good 5-10 minutes playing on em. Also as i've said a 1000 times before, its about playability. Doesnt matter if the graphics/sound are outdated, gameplay doesnt get old. Look at games of today, why arent we into these more when they have great graphics/sound etc, often the gameplays crap.

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