Dudley wrote:So you'd presumably argue Doom isn't Retro?
If so, the Spectrum isn't retro, it's got a version of Doom.
I would argue for common sense attitudes Duds!
Obviously the spectrum is retro because of the hardware used and the amount of time that has passed since it's commercial demise.
Whether or not someone ported doom to it had no real baring on this!
DOOM is old, it was the first mass-market game of it's type and is generally regarded as being largely responsible for a lot of the current style of game-play. So it's now an old game, in years. It's arguable whether it's 'retro' in game play style. There have definitely been improvements, but the style is still essentially that of a more modern game type.
By the way, Doom was never actually commercially released for the DC. It was too old
by the time the Dreamcast was made
Most commercially released FPS type games on the DC are much more advanced than DOOM. I was simply making the point that, the DC has plenty of more modern style games as well!!
Dudley wrote:The way I read it is a hardware can't be retro if it has non-retro games on.
Basically, yes. If the games can only run on hardware that is currently not old enough to be called retro. The PS1 may
now be considered borderline by some, I would argue that the DC hardware architecture just isn't old enough, yet! Unless you also say the PS2 and Xbos are retro systems!
Hardware is 'retro' because it has been supperceded to the point of being obsolete. Because of the length of time since it's original manufacture, hence the aging of the components used.
Not because it has been made artificially obsolete commercially
because of lack of support.
Those are two very different things!
The spectrum is based on 8bit technology, the DC is based on last generation technology, same generation as the PS2 and Xbox.
That is my argument, nothing to do with software whatsoever!!!
I gave the software examples, because witchfinder seemed to be saying that it should be considered 'retro' because it has some retro style games!!!
I was trying to point out that the games are entirely irrelevant, as the machine is still not using old enough hardware to be considered retro.