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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:04 am
by AdamDawes
They couldn't scan the barcode on my copy either. I spot a definite trend there. :)

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:13 am
by retroisland
Just bought the latest issue in WH Smiths (couldn't scan the barcode either!) and I must say from a quick read that it looks absolutely fantastic! Well done to all the team for making Retro Gamer have a brilliant debut issue for it's new owners!

I especially like the Spectrum pages, retrorevival sections, company profile, in-depth price guide at the back and lots of lovely text-filled pages and screenshots to read throughout! Glad to see more games featured now.

I must also say that what a difference not having a DVD stuck on the front either.

All in all, just as I'd hoped the new issue would be!

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:58 am
by READBOY
Just want to congratulate the new publisher and writing / editorial team for a great magazine. The look and feel is much classier and it seems to be more focussed on the games not the hardware. I for one will be subscribing despite losing out when Live went to the wall.

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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:13 am
by chinnyhill10
hand_solo wrote:
chinny wrote:6 - No mention of Amstrad on the cover despite the fact that Amstrad were the biggest manufacturer of computers in the UK for the entire 1980's. Who owns a Neo-Geo? Seriously? I've owned every major past UK format barring some Nintendo stuff and I've seen more Amstrad GX4000's than I have Neo-Geos. In fact I strongly suspect the GX4000 sold more in the UK!
Surely this is more reason to write about the Neo as back in the nineties it was a real luxury gamers item. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE wanted one knowing that the games you got for it would be identical to the games you played down at the local arcade. It's a machine that's attained cult status and while everyone knows hte ins & outs of the C64/speccy/Amstrad etc. I reckon for alot of people reading the mag this would have been a very informative and entertaining read.

Anyway, the Amstrad was just censored. :lol:

btw, I couldn't find the mag in Smiths today either. I'm actually gonna buy it this time I was so impressed with it at Retro Ball. :wink:
First of all I am not complaining about Neo Geo coverage. I am complaining about the fact it's mentioned on the front page in the same breath as "Sinclair and Atari".

No, everyone did not want a Neo. The games were impressive but even looking at the pages of C+VG you could see that all the games were of a type and were very very expensive. The Neo was simply an irrelevence to the majority of gamers who were more likely to be aspiring to a 16 bit computer, or perhaps a Snes or Megadrive. Even the PC Engine was more desirable as at least the cost was affordable (but the lack of games put people I knew off). Yes if someone gave you one for free you would have been mad to say no, but the sheer cost meant that it was unlikely you'd ever own one.

I don't say there shouldn't be Neo-Geo coverage, but to shift copies of the mag the word "Amstrad" at the top would be more likely to jump out at potential purchases than a console that was only heard of in the pages of games mags and was never even owned by 99.9% of the audience. In contrast the CPC shifted nigh on 3 million units, the PCW sold a couple of million (unsure of the precise figure) and at one time in the 80's Amstrad was the dominant PC manufacturer. In 1988 Amstrad turned over a 250 million quid profit thanks to the fact it's range of computers dominated each segment of the UK market, gaming, home and business. That is no mean feat and is unlikely to be repeated by anyone anytime soon.

To put it in perspective, at the same time there was loads of press coverage of the Sam Coupe (check out the weekly and monthly computer press circa 1989/1990) and everyone who brought a multiformat mag had heard of the Sam. The Sam was a flop but it probably had the same market penetration as the Neo-Geo in the UK overall. But nobody would dream of putting "Sam Coupe" on the cover.

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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:16 am
by chinnyhill10
AdamDawes wrote:They couldn't scan the barcode on my copy either. I spot a definite trend there. :)
It's so annoying. How will I be able to use my Barcode Battler on it?

[Gets anorak and leaves]

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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:20 am
by chinnyhill10
Markie wrote:
chinnyhill10 wrote:If you are going to feature Crash and Zzap in the Back to the Eighties feature, then it would be a good idea to feature an Amstrad magazine as well.
Hi Chinny...

Amstrad is right there in No.20! I've literally just finished designing those pages and cut out a lovely Amtix! logo! :wink:
Cool. Amtix should keep you going for the next 18 months. Just make sure that when you run out of Amtix issues you switch to Amstrad Action and not the dire Computing With the Amstrad (the magazine that brought up Amtix) :-)

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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:22 am
by romanista
chinnyhill10 wrote: I don't say there shouldn't be Neo-Geo coverage, but to shift copies of the mag the word "Amstrad" at the top would be more likely to jump out at potential purchases than a console that was only heard of in the pages of games mags and was never even owned by 99.9% of the audience. In contrast the CPC shifted nigh on 3 million units, the PCW sold a couple of million (unsure of the precise figure) and at one time in the 80's Amstrad was the dominant PC manufacturer. In 1988 Amstrad turned over a 250 million quid profit thanks to the fact it's range of computers dominated each segment of the UK market, gaming, home and business. That is no mean feat and is unlikely to be repeated by anyone anytime soon.

To put it in perspective, at the same time there was loads of press coverage of the Sam Coupe (check out the weekly and monthly computer press circa 1989/1990) and everyone who brought a multiformat mag had heard of the Sam. The Sam was a flop but it probably had the same market penetration as the Neo-Geo in the UK overall. But nobody would dream of putting "Sam Coupe" on the cover.
i don't agree, Neo Geo stand for me "that special, easter console i always dreamt about and now finally i get to know about", while amstrad says to me "3rd place 8 bit compu"

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:04 am
by Szczepaniak
Regarding the NeoGeo debate, I'd say it helps balance the appeal of the front cover.

The mag obviously wants to appeal to as many types of retro gamer as possible.

Commodore, Sincalir and Amstrad would all be classed under the 8-bit computer range. At least to me. That doesn't interest me very much. And there are other gamers like me who think along similar lines.

Sega and Nintendo are common console favourites, everyone recognises them.

But you put NeoGeo on there, and people with more exotic tastes know that there might be something for them inside. Suddenly you have the attention of the serious hardcore J-Retro fans.

Hell, if you're asking me, they should have put Fujitsu and NEC on the cover as well. The full range of NEC systems are awesome, and something that really peaks my interest.


I personally don't think it has anything to do with amount of sales or even popularity, but rather trying to lure as many people in as big a net as possible. The word "NeoGeo" appeals to that certain slice of the population that the others titles don't.

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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:19 am
by chinnyhill10
Szczepaniak wrote: I personally don't think it has anything to do with amount of sales or even popularity, but rather trying to lure as many people in as big a net as possible. The word "NeoGeo" appeals to that certain slice of the population that the others titles don't.
I guess it depends on if the magazine wants to attract a small amount of hardcore enthusiasts or reach out to the millions of people who owned an Amstrad machine. That is a commercial decision from the magazines point of view.

Of course, the magazine that got it right was New Computer Express. The biggest machines (in terms of their audience) always got a mention on the front but they would always cycle two or three of the slots for other machines. So if a machine had lots of stuff going on that week then it would get a mention on the front.

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:34 am
by retroisland
Meant to say also about the magazine - only a couple of 'adult' adverts within - always notice in one of your rival magazines that they seem to be getting more frequent and daring with this kind of advert. Is there really a need for it in these types of magazines? I'd be interested in hearing peoples views.

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:38 am
by Gilderoy Lockheart
Gotta say guys 10 out of 10 for the magazine (at least what I've read so far)

However getting hold of it has been a bit of a chase around, Tried all the main news places around Chester today and eventually found it in MVC just as I was begining to loose all hope :lol: .

Seems getting a sub or getting it reserved at a newsie is gonna be the way forward for me.

Is it a nightmare getting listed with places because of what happened before with the previous owners ? I imagine credibility for such titles will be pretty low as a lot of wholesalers/distributors etc would have had their fingers burnt despite the readership base.

Official feedback thread for issue 19

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:01 am
by samedizombie
Looking at the other posts, I must be in a minority of one as I'm not that impressed with the new look.

To me it's now just like any other mag on the shelves, big and brash. Yes it all looks very nice and clean and sterile and that's the main problem, it's like processed cheese, looks great but lacks flavour.

The previous issues had that certain flavour, it was one of the few magazines that I actually read cover to cover and still go back to, even now.

Everyone also seems to like the fact that there's no cover disk well, again I'm not one of them there were some great games on the disks and the specials, (Llamasoft, Craftgols, Durell etc) were great.

I've still got all my C64 and Amiga kit and now and again set it all up and go through my disc collections which gives me a real nostalgic buzz and that's what I got out of reading Reto Gamer, before the change that is and that's what made it, (for me) an essential purchase. My first impressions of the new look Retro Gamer make it, (so far) an occasional one.

Re: Official feedback thread for issue 19

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:11 am
by Darran@Retro Gamer
samedizombie wrote:Looking at the other posts, I must be in a minority of one as I'm not that impressed with the new look.

To me it's now just like any other mag on the shelves, big and brash. Yes it all looks very nice and clean and sterile and that's the main problem, it's like processed cheese, looks great but lacks flavour.

The previous issues had that certain flavour, it was one of the few magazines that I actually read cover to cover and still go back to, even now.

Everyone also seems to like the fact that there's no cover disk well, again I'm not one of them there were some great games on the disks and the specials, (Llamasoft, Craftgols, Durell etc) were great.

I've still got all my C64 and Amiga kit and now and again set it all up and go through my disc collections which gives me a real nostalgic buzz and that's what I got out of reading Reto Gamer, before the change that is and that's what made it, (for me) an essential purchase. My first impressions of the new look Retro Gamer make it, (so far) an occasional one.
Thanks for the comments mate, they are greatly appreciated.

We're fully aware that not everyone was going to like the new look, but if we want to be a successful publication, then we have to give the public a magazine that's going to catch their attention.
One thing to remember though, is just because the style has changed, the main text is exactly the same. We're using all the same writers, and they're all in love with a variety of different systems.

Again though, thanks for your views.

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:20 am
by LeeT
Got it today....Full analysis tomorrow but I can tell you that I had a big stupid grin on my face on the bus on the way home from town! :lol:

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:27 am
by lucky spencer
After reading through I am happy with the way the mag has turned out. The colours are vibrant and the text is easy to read. I like the tiny font size you have used for some of the text. Feels like there is much more to read. I have found the layout good. Just enough pics and boxouts. I also think the amount of time given to each subject has been well thought out. Well done all. Although what did you expect from the fellow who produced the retro bit of another magazine. Good one Darran! :D A few more letters would be nice though but as it was the first issue in a long while i shall forgive!