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Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:46 pm
by psj3809
8 bit games may look old but gameplay doesn't age. That's why many of us still play arcade classics from the 80s and 8 bit games. Of course some age but there's obviously the nostalgia factor as well. Playing some classic speccy games give me that nostalgic boost and also play well. I wouldn't bother with speccy games if they all ages badly and didn't play well

Even on modern consoles or phones there's a whole range of retro games/emulators as the gameplay doesn't age

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:59 pm
by RodimusPrime
ianpmarks wrote:
Darran@Retro Gamer wrote:
RodimusPrime wrote:

I grew up with the speccy, c64, and amstrad. I loved them and have some great memories of them. The truth is that they were were ok at the time because thats all we had.the games have just not stood the test of time like the best NES and master system games have. most of the arcade versions were extremely shoddy and even the classics from companies like Ultimate are nigh on unplayable.

they just don't hold up compared to Wonderboy 3, psycho fox on MS, and megaman, Mario etc on NES.
I agree with this. Although it's telling that the ones in the list are absolute crackers.
I absolutely don't agree with this, and think it is a ridiculous statement for an editor of a Retro Gaming magazine to agree with.
To say that Spectrum, C64 etc. games don't stand up is simply not true. It's like saying NES games don't stand up against SNES games. They do. If a game is good it doesn't matter what era it is from or what the graphics were like. If you are only interested in playing games that look the best they can possibly look then buy and read about the PS4.

Yes there is some rubbish on 8 bit computers, but there is also some brilliant, brilliant games that are just as playable today as ever they were. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they don't stand up. Also which Ultimate classics are unplayable? Some such as Cyberun or Lunar Jetman are too hard to play - but they were never classics in the first place.

I would rather play Jet Pac, Knight Lore, Manic Miner, Lords of Midnight, Elite, Revs, Paradroid, Uridium over any NES or Master System game and as far as I'm concerned they have absolutely stood the test of time. I'm not putting down the NES or Master System though. They are great systems with great games, I just like the older systems such as the Spectrum, BBC and C64. It's not that weird... it's why I thought I read Retro Gamer, because it liked playing old games, but now I know the editor thinks all early computer games don't stand up against later consoles I might have to reconsider.
Why are you getting so angry when you have expressed the same sort of sentiment. if you feel that way regarding NES and Mastersytem games compared to the 8bit stuff, then surely you can appreciate someone having the opposite opinion.

Darren is entitled to his opinion, if you are only going to read magazines where the editor 100% agrees with all of your views and opinions you are going to have a hard time.

I probably disagree with many of the magazines team on other games and consoles, but I would never be childish to talk about stopping reading the mag because they dared to think different.

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:23 pm
by ianpmarks
Childish? What a strange thing to accuse me of. I don't think anyones said that to me since I was a teenager.

It wasn't a post written in anger, I'm 45! I've got better things to lose my temper about than 8 bit games. Was just expressing an opinion. Sorry it wasn't to your taste.

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:35 pm
by PAC
Beautiful anniversary edition. Still plenty of content to enjoy and the chart was a real shock !

Thank goodness Gauntlet and Street Fighter II made it.
Our console's intact !

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:50 pm
by RodimusPrime
ianpmarks wrote:Childish? What a strange thing to accuse me of. I don't think anyones said that to me since I was a teenager.

It wasn't a post written in anger, I'm 45! I've got better things to lose my temper about than 8 bit games. Was just expressing an opinion. Sorry it wasn't to your taste.
announcing you may have to reconsider buying the magazine because the editor made one opinion that you did not agree with. A valid personal opinion that a lot of people may also have as well.

He also likes the Amstrad, guess all the speccy and C64 fans should form a mob and start burning copies of the mag as well then.

I think childish sums it up pretty well, you can add petulant in there as well if you like.

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:56 pm
by ianpmarks
Why are you getting so personal? Childish and petulant now.

I'm not seriously going to stop buying Retro Gamer because of a comment Darran made on the forum. I was simply over egging my argument by making an exaggerated grand statement. I'm not quite sure why it has riled you so much.

I may be the one who is childish and petulant, but I'm not making personal statements about your character - judged from one post of yours I didn't like on the forum.

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:07 pm
by Darran@Retro Gamer
ianpmarks wrote:
I would rather play Jet Pac, Knight Lore, Manic Miner, Lords of Midnight, Elite, Revs, Paradroid, Uridium over any NES or Master System game and as far as I'm concerned they have absolutely stood the test of time. I'm not putting down the NES or Master System though. They are great systems with great games, I just like the older systems such as the Spectrum, BBC and C64. It's not that weird... it's why I thought I read Retro Gamer, because it liked playing old games, but now I know the editor thinks all early computer games don't stand up against later consoles I might have to reconsider.
Out of those, Jet Pac, Knight Lore, Manic Miner Paradroid and Uridium are all brilliant. I'm not sure I'd simply play them of every NES and Master System game though (although there are lots of duffers on those systems too.

Obviously I don't dislike all 8-bit games, but I do think that many of the one I used to enjoy in my youth haven't stood the test of time, particularly arcade conversions. In fact I can't think of any arcade port I'd play over the original now. I don't own any 8-bit home computers any more, but was considering buying an Amstrad again.

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:14 pm
by kiwimike
I think it's fair to say all eras of gaming have their gems and their duffers. Haven't seen the 150 list yet (Keep spoilers to a minimum please! :wink: ) but lists are always subjective.
Man I loved my old eight bit games- at the time. And some are still awesome. The likes of Sentinal and Lode Runner are timeless IMO as they just play so well...but there are some from those days that you try now and can't believe how rose tinted those glasses were! That said, classics would have made the list I'm sure as they are literally just that- classics.
Gameplays the thing, if controlled smoothly and played well then, it will now IMO :) I'll happily play Hitman Absolution on 360 then throw in the Sega Megadrive collection, or even Robotron on the Midway compilation. That's the way it should be! :)

IMO it is natural evolution the mag will focus on newer retro as the mag ages and newer readers jump on. That is also the way of things. I hope there isn't a time the really early stuff bows out completely, but variety is the spice of life; a good mix is the best way to please the majority. Pleasing all is an impossibility!

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:15 pm
by RodimusPrime
ianpmarks wrote:Why are you getting so personal? Childish and petulant now.

I'm not seriously going to stop buying Retro Gamer because of a comment Darran made on the forum. I was simply over egging my argument by making an exaggerated grand statement. I'm not quite sure why it has riled you so much.

I may be the one who is childish and petulant, but I'm not making personal statements about your character - judged from one post of yours I didn't like on the forum.
Ok, fine. if it was deliberate over exaggeration on your part then fine, but it never came across that way at all.

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:27 pm
by Mayhem
Darran@Retro Gamer wrote:Obviously I don't dislike all 8-bit games, but I do think that many of the one I used to enjoy in my youth haven't stood the test of time, particularly arcade conversions. In fact I can't think of any arcade port I'd play over the original now. I don't own any 8-bit home computers any more, but was considering buying an Amstrad again.
Given MAME etc, there generally isn't any reason for playing a conversion today when you have access to a proper, 100% working (for the most part) experience available on your PC. Unless the conversion plays better. And to me, at least on the C64, then Wizard of Wor, Spy Hunter, and Buggy Boy are all better games (imo) compared to their arcade counterparts. But those are the minority exceptions.

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:35 am
by ivarf
Darran@Retro Gamer wrote:
ianpmarks wrote: Obviously I don't dislike all 8-bit games, but I do think that many of the one I used to enjoy in my youth haven't stood the test of time, particularly arcade conversions. In fact I can't think of any arcade port I'd play over the original now. I don't own any 8-bit home computers any more, but was considering buying an Amstrad again.
Please do buy an Amstrad, but talk with your wife first. Otherwise the juggling might get hard.


Renegade is a game that many prefer on 8-bit machines over the arcade. Surely there are more such games

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:38 am
by psj3809
^totally agree. With mame I love playing the originals but I must admit it makes me appreciate the old arcade conversions even more. Commando and bomb jack on the speccy for example. Amazing what they did with 48k but I'm not one of those hardcore fans who say 'I prefer the 8 bit version over the arcade original ???!!!' To be fair renegade might be one exception. Never warmed to that in the arcades. Love final fight or double dragon in the arcades but not so much renegade. I do love the 8 bit versions as i have the nostalgia factor big time. Love playing NES/SNES games as u never had one as a kid so love 'discovering' gems on those platforms via emulator.

I do like lists, you realise how many great games there are out there, so many classics. Last of us will be a classic for many years. But in a retro mag when you're asked for your top games survey you would choose 'retro' games. If Zzap did a list of best games it would obviously be for the c64. When retro gamer (clues in the title) asks for s list of best games I'm stunned people added recent games

Don't get me wrong I'm not upset or that. Love the feature in this months issue but as always there's some choices which are just puzzling

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:25 pm
by the_hawk
There's probably no logical reason why someone would play the spectrum conversion over an arcade original.... but logic's never been my strong suit.

I can't explain why I prefer playing some games on the Speccy, I just do.

Robocop was definitely better though, lots more variation than the coin-op.

Going back to the top 150, SIX of my top 10 didn't make the list & only one made the top 10.

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:05 pm
by paranoid marvin
Bit surprised to see Outrun placed so much higher than Coast to Coast. Other than the nostalgia factor (and it never WAS a great game - style over substance) I'm struggling to think of one reason why the original is so much better.

Re: Retro Gamer 150 - Your Greatest Games Ever!

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:11 pm
by Darran@Retro Gamer
paranoid marvin wrote:Bit surprised to see Outrun placed so much higher than Coast to Coast. Other than the nostalgia factor (and it never WAS a great game - style over substance) I'm struggling to think of one reason why the original is so much better.
Agreed. I love outrun, but I play coast 2 coast every week.