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Post by Manic_Whiner » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:41 pm

What is ? What's wrong Elgin ?

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Post by Elgin_McQueen » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:14 pm

Manic_Whiner wrote:Hunt him down then, I muse.
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Post by Dudley » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:12 am

stvd wrote:INDY 500 for the Atari VCS.

The styles are different, yes, but in essence they
are both racing games. And as a 2 player racing
game, it's better. :lol: :lol:

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Yeah but one is (technically) about an event, one about street racing.

A better comparison here would be Indy 500 and the reasonably recent "Indycar Series".
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Post by beesty » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:13 am

Ok I think a way to make RG better is to tell readers to join the forums and tell them which posts to look out for,we all buy the magazine so encourage people to talk to other readers and see what they think.
the c64 was king,and the speccy,and the amiga,and,,,,,ooh u know the rest

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Post by neuromancer » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:25 pm

stvd wrote:INDY 500 for the Atari VCS.

The styles are different, yes, but in essence they
are both racing games. And as a 2 player racing
game, it's better. :lol: :lol:

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VCS Indy 500 is a top game - haven't thought about it in decades.
I think my memories are skewed as I was given the game one Xmas but I wasn't at my own house so I didn't have anything to play it on. I read the manual a few times and got hooked into the hype. The game wasn't a good as it sounded in the manual but it played brilliantly using the analogue controllers.

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it

Post by BlueMax » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:47 am

Hello folks, and thank you for a great magazine.

Just a few remarks from a reader in Sweden.

The editorial in the last issue of RG left me confused. What's wrong with the magazine as it is? Are you losing readers/subscribers? Are the editors/writers bored with RG? I just don't see what needs to be fixed.

Having read the posts in this forum, my confusion just gets more profound.

In my view, the magazine is great as it is. Of course I have requests and wishes for articles and topics (see below and beware C64 owners :wink: ), but overall I enjoy reading it.

I only have one concern really, and I suppose it reflects my kind of reader. I was a speccy gamer in the 80's, later I got a PC and now I play games (when I find the time) on the PC and on my PSP. When Retro Gamer first started I was very excited. i could read about stuff I vaguely remembered and I enjoyed the nostalgia. It was also interesting to learn more about the early gaming scene since I was very young when it all happened.

RG was different from other game magazines in that it didn't require me to be totally updated in the japanese digital subculture and MMORG (or whatever it is called...) scene. I could enjoy it from my own experiences of gaming in the 80's. I enjoyed revisiting the C64, Speccy, CPC games. I really enjoyed in-depth interviews with the authors and programmers, the screenshots and re-reviews. I also enjoyed reading about early arcade games and early consoles. Now this seems to have changed a bit. Several posts in this forum, and some parts of the magazine, reflects current developments in gaming (wich is thoroughly covered in a bunch of other magazines). Focus is slowly shifting towars what's happening on Wii, PSP, XBOX Live arcade (is that what it's called?) and PS3 downloads.

I do read other gaming magazines too, and the reason for me to read RG is that it is different from those.

I fully respect people who, today, do online-gaming and thinks that real games are (and was) made in Japan. Fine. Good. I don't mind.

I also understand that, commercially for the publishers, "retro gaming" must be redefined as years go by. What is gaming today (PS2?) is retro-gaming tomorrow. The wider the definition, the wider the audience. I therefore understand that for some readers, the Nintendo64 reflects their childhood, but for me it represents modern gaming.

I don't know how many of the magazine's readers that are like me, and I can for sure be accused of nostalgia. Maybe the group of readers of my kind is too small to consider commercially. Maybe I have to accept that my lack of interest for online-gaming and downloading game-content to my PS3 or XBOX (if I had one) makes me too retro even for Retro Gamer magazine. I'm probably too retro to own a PSP even. I want to buy my games in shops, and I don't want to be forced to connect my PSP to the internet to update any damn "firmware". It is very annoying this whole patching/updating thing. Make games that fit the hardware, what's the problem? Sorry for this interruption.

What kind of magazine content would I like to see, and to see more of?

Here's a few requests:

1. More of those well-written in-depths articles on games for the home-computers of the 80's. After all, there really are a big number of games to cover!

2. More interviews with programmers/authors who worked on computers in the pre-PC era. I don't mind it getting a bit technical, actually one of the more fascinating things about yesterdays game-creation is that programmers had to work on multi-platform, technically limited hardware. I'd like more analyses on this fact. How did they do it? How was it done, in a time when the authors and publishers could not rely on me constantly updating my hardware? Just as with the games, there are many many persons to get hold of and talk to, surely.

3. Finally, and this is purely a speccy-owners wishes:

- An article on the relationship between PSION and Sinclair Research? What was that about? And who were the folks behind PSION? How did they make Chequered Flag as speedy and fluent that early in the history of the Spectrum?

- Who authored "Starstrike II" ?. Who were the people, and what was Realtime Software really? how did they make that border-less loader? What are their view on today's 3D-graphic cards and the "skill" of 3D programming?

These are just examples, in my view there are hundreds of games for the speccy, C64, CPC and other home computers to be covered in this way. This is the kind of material that makes me buy the magazine.

To conclude this far too long post: To keep me buying the magazine (as I have done every single issue up to now), keep RG special. Don't mainstream it. If I want to read about what's happening now, I'd rather read EDGE.

All the best.
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Re: If it ain't broke, don't fix it

Post by CraigGrannell » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:10 am

Fair points, there, and, to be totally honest, I was kind of surprised when Darran told me the start of the mag was being revamped. Still, it's always good to shake things up a bit, to avoid a publication going a bit stale over time.

Regarding the contents overall, I don't think there's any shift of focus towards current consoles. Sure, the news and reviews sections include remakes, but that makes sense, since they're directed at Retro Gamer's target audience. (And I'm also someone who likes RG reviewing the odd title not directly related to an old game, but that will likely appeal to me.) However, the bulk of the magazine remains filled with features like the making-ofs and hardware profiles, and I doubt—unless Darran goes a bit insane—that we're about to see a hardware profile on the PS3, or "The making of MotorStorm" any time soon.
BlueMax wrote:I don't mind it getting a bit technical, actually one of the more fascinating things about yesterdays game-creation is that programmers had to work on multi-platform, technically limited hardware. I'd like more analyses on this fact. How did they do it? How was it done, in a time when the authors and publishers could not rely on me constantly updating my hardware?
I suspect, even though it's primarily about the creation of a game, you'll like next issue's Pitfall II piece.
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Post by DonkeySpank » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:10 am

I agree with BlueMax regarding the creep towards Wii, XBLA and now the PS3 equivalent. I don't own a "current gen" console, I own retro consoles and computers. That's the reason I subscribe to a magazine called "Retro Gamer". I have absolutely no interest in any of the XBLA, Wii or PS3 content.

I understand however that I might be in the minority, but I'd like to see the creep halted, and a return to the "original" gaming methods of yesteryear.

I'd also like to see more coverage of the 70s/80s computer & console scene, rather than the 90s scene (SNES, NES, MD, Sega, etc.) - I know this is never gonna happen, it's not a mag for me alone so I'm happy if I get 50% relevant content per issue - diversity is the key to a wider and more stable audience, after all.

Finally, I have a real problem with the increasingly pornographic advertising at the back of the mag. I know this is a bugbear so I won't rant about it. Suffice it to say that I don't really want to have to worry about where I've left my copy of RG in case my 3 yr old lad finds it.

I know this won't make any difference to anyone at RG but I have come "this close" to cancelling my sub on a number of occassions recently for this sole reason. I'm not trying to make an empty threat, but I think it's important that DJ gets the right feedback and understands the gravity of what some see as innocuous. Commnicate it through the channels Daz, there's nothing that focusses the attention of a CFO or shareholder than a real/potential loss of revenue.

That turned into a mini-rant didn't it?! :wink: Okay, mini-rant over. Comments made with the best intentions, hope they're taken as such.

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Post by CraigGrannell » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:27 am

I'm intrigued here: what creep are you both talking about? If anything, the editorial space for games on new consoles has decreased, since the number of reviews pages has dropped of late. And the news section—even back in the Live days—always covered what was going on with modern consoles. In fact, I'm rummaging through old issues over lunch these days, and just re-read the interview with the chap who did the Space Invaders remake.

As for the adverts, please let's not get into that discussion again. Darran's well aware that it's a bugbear for some, but if you're annoyed by it that much, write a letter to the publisher, because that contains more clout than a thousand forum posts.
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Post by bolda » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:45 am

Apologies if this has already been mentioned (haven't read through all 17 pages of this thread) but one small gripe I have is this...

Near the front of each issue is a "Things We're Looking Forward To..." kind of article, that has a few words about forthcoming retro-related releases on modern platforms. Now, I don't have a problem with this content focussing on current-gen platforms, even though I don't own such consoles - it could inspire me to purchase one! My gripe is that some of the releases featured are scheduled for release in several months' time or the release date has slipped. This means that the same release gets "previewed" in consecutive issues of RG, quite often with the same text each month and no new additional info. Surely it is sufficient to preview a release once, and then review it once it is out. Just seems a bit like lazy editing and "filler" to me.

However, that's the only bug-bear I have so you guys must be doing most things right! :D
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Post by DonkeySpank » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:49 am

Something I'd dearly love to read - short, candid interviews with the "leading names" in the gaming MAGAZINE scene back in the day (Zzap64, Crash, C+VG, The One - don't worry about Amtix :lol: ) - you could start with Julian Rignall if y'like... :wink:

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Post by CraigGrannell » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:00 am

EDIT: I split off the posts for the ads stuff. Elgin_McQueen—sorry, but the hopeless editing tool didn't work properly, and so your post got lost, so here it is in all its glory.

Elgin_McQueen—Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:29 pm
Is the revamp why we haven't seen the cover of the new issue yet? Keeping us waiting??

Or is something dull like it's not finished or it only goes up the day the 1st subs are sent out?
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Post by FatTrucker » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:15 am

DonkeySpank wrote:I agree with BlueMax regarding the creep towards Wii, XBLA and now the PS3 equivalent. I don't own a "current gen" console, I own retro consoles and computers. That's the reason I subscribe to a magazine called "Retro Gamer". I have absolutely no interest in any of the XBLA, Wii or PS3 content.
I understand what you're saying and almost agree, (since I generally only play original and emulated stuff and don't buy the new retail Retro releases), but I suppose the fact that Retro titles are currently enjoying a resurgence and that many people don't have the patience or motivation to hunt down old dusty systems and/or emulators means these new 'old' releases remain a very mainstream and current way for people to enjoy Retrogaming.

I would imagine many people are interested in the fact that ports, remakes, and re-releases of these old titles are now becoming available again, often with additional or new content, and can be purchased for current gen systems.

It also can't hurt sales of the mag, if just a small proportion of the heaving mass of modern console owners can find content in Retrogamer they can relate to....and perhaps from there discover a deeper love of Retro Games.

Lastly, it is only a small feature within the mag, and I think it fits in nicely with the overall theme of Retrogaming in the modern age. It gives the overall flavour of the mag a nice roundness......so to speak. :oops:
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Post by Dudley » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:37 am

I never owned a C64 so I have no interest in the C64 content.

I bet that takes up more space than the current console stuff does.
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Post by voodoofish » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:41 am

I agree with SO much of what BlueMax said - the wii (huh huh) business, the PSP emulation is brilliant and sometimes the only chance I get to play retro games. Japanese games... MMORG... WWHAT?
Mmmore SSPECCY CPC and CC64...
Did I already mention that there should be more coverage of Adventure games...? I think I may have... oh and Amiga stuff too

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