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Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:24 pm
by HalcyonDaze00
it does not really mean every issue has actually been fantastic, and strangely enough I doubt people would pick me up for doing that in the same way they have done to the other guy.
a very good point, nothing wrong with either point of view its just that the forum lickspittle like to give themselves a pat on the back for defending the mag at every turn

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:20 am
by kiwimike
Mine arrived today...first flick through it looks great, love the SMS and Invaders features. Looking forward to settling down later with a cuppa for a good read :)

Love the Cover

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:32 am
by kiwimike
rockdjuk wrote:
kiwimike wrote:
antsbull wrote:I find it weird how some people only like reading about things they have already experienced and already know about, and then say that an issue is "mediocre" - which is pretty rude and insulting to all involved making it.

For me, being a Retro-Gamer means that I love reading about games and machines I have never heard of before, and especially love the interviews with developers and designers where you find out anecdotes and about how they managed to get a machine to do something technically, even if I haven't played that game or machine. It always motivates me to go and find out more information and trying emulating that machine or game to find out more.
Yeah, I agree with that completely, it does grate when the odd person will dis an issue simply due to it not catering to their specific taste when the mag has to cover a huge variety of software and hardware across a wide range of platforms and eras...and attempt to please everyone- But ultimately from a positive angle it does show the passion gamers have for gaming history and the systems they like. Any forum that gets heated, be it sport, music, photography whatever- shows a deep passion for the subject.

But on this issue, looks great and I'm off to order from the store. :)
Which is why all the way through my post I kept saying "for me "

Why is it rude to say an issue is mediocre in a thread asking for comments about the issue ? Are we only allowed to write gushing praise ? How can the magazine know what it is doing right or wrong if that is the case . I have paid for every single issue of the magazine back to issue 1 and am a subscriber so I feel I have every right to pass comment . Especially as I have given reasons why I feel this way .

It is called Retro Gamer , therefore do you not think that most of us want to read about things that have relevance to what we have experienced and played as a kid ? I very rarely get the chance to play any games , so reading up about stuff I've never even heard of is a little pointless .
That's fair enough. If content doesn't appeal to you, of course it's fair enough to say so. As you say, it's all about feedback. The suggestion it's 'mediocre' though implies it is of low quality and poor, rather than has nothing that interests you. But what doesn't interest you is of interest to others, and to cover every game etc from everyones youth I'm sure you'd agree is impossible. As such just saying its mediocre, or a poor issue, is harsh and why some do take offence. And in that regard there is no 'right or wrong', but IMO it is unrealistic to expect every issue to contain what we personally want ourselves.

But I do understand what you're saying though, and I hope there's more for you in next months issue :)

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:03 am
by psj3809
But its just people taking the word the wrong way.

I've seen many many issue feedback threads and people say 'hmmm, not a great issue for me this month, cant win em all.....' etc and they dont get jumped on. Again when he says its 'mediocre' he just means this month there werent many articles he was interested in, theres still the chance if he reads those he might think 'actually that article was pretty good, surprised me' but i must admit i pass over some articles sometimes (Like the techy BBC one the other month).

But as you say and we normally say, you cant please everyone. I love my top 20 lists, if theres one in next month i'll be happy about it, others will say its 'lazy journalism' and they dont like them. Difficult to please them all but i must admit we shouldnt jump down someones throat if they basically say that issue there werent many articles which interested them.

Lets move on from this, he just said 'mediocre' meaning it wasnt a great issue personally for him this month, not slating the actual writers themselves, i'm sure that BBC article was well written the other month its just one thing i'm not interested in personally.

I do love the mag, have every issue, a very talented bunch of writers. But you cant please everyone and some months theres the odd article which doesnt jump out for me, i may come back to it at some point.

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:07 am
by hydr0x
psj3809 wrote:But its just people taking the word the wrong way.
No, it's people USING the word the wrong way.

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:19 am
by rockdjuk
Bloody hell , this is rumbling on ...

Right dictionary definition time ... Mediocre - of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate:

OK , Read my post again and you will see I said "Got to say a really mediocre issue for me ..."

Note I said "FOR ME" . Why everyone's getting their knickers in such a twist is beyond me . I don't care how well written or how much time someone has taken over it , if articles don't appeal to me they simply don't appeal . Therefore to me it is a mediocre issue . Not the worst one I've read but certainly not the best . That seems to me to be the perfect use of the word .

I was a member of this board back in the live publishing days - I remember why I stayed away now - It's still as cliquey as it was then .

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:32 am
by HalcyonDaze00
rockdjuk wrote:Bloody hell , this is rumbling on ...

Right dictionary definition time ... Mediocre - of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate:

OK , Read my post again and you will see I said "Got to say a really mediocre issue for me ..."

Note I said "FOR ME" . Why everyone's getting their knickers in such a twist is beyond me . I don't care how well written or how much time someone has taken over it , if articles don't appeal to me they simply don't appeal . Therefore to me it is a mediocre issue . Not the worst one I've read but certainly not the best . That seems to me to be the perfect use of the word .

I was a member of this board back in the live publishing days - I remember why I stayed away now - It's still as cliquey as it was then .
stick with it rockdjuk, don't let the lickspittle & cliques drive you away, most people can see that your comments are perfectly valid.

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:30 am
by Szczepaniak
mikeb wrote:Funnily enough John was trying to do a making of Lost Vikings for ages. Looks like you two swapped over somehow!
Indeed! What a curious turn of events. I'm glad someone managed to track down those involved with Lost Vikings. Those design sketches were ace - really shows you the thinking the behind the design.

Thief ended up with enough material for a Thief I & II Making Of, since the interviewees worked on both and the second led on from the first. I tried to squeeze both in, but had to cut it to just about the first game. Shame, since I had all the screens for the second too.

If you want to see AI done right, I'd suggest the Thief games. It always annoy me in a modern title where one person sees you, and suddenly everyone knows about it. With Thief you could actually be seen, then chase the cad down before he alerted anyone thanks to the sound system. Awesome mythos as well.

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:07 pm
by NorthWay
Mag arrived (or rather, me, and found it waiting).
My vote for front page would be the breakout one.

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:45 pm
by kiwimike
psj3809 wrote:But its just people taking the word the wrong way.

I've seen many many issue feedback threads and people say 'hmmm, not a great issue for me this month, cant win em all.....' etc and they dont get jumped on. Again when he says its 'mediocre' he just means this month there werent many articles he was interested in, theres still the chance if he reads those he might think 'actually that article was pretty good, surprised me' but i must admit i pass over some articles sometimes (Like the techy BBC one the other month).

But as you say and we normally say, you cant please everyone. I love my top 20 lists, if theres one in next month i'll be happy about it, others will say its 'lazy journalism' and they dont like them. Difficult to please them all but i must admit we shouldnt jump down someones throat if they basically say that issue there werent many articles which interested them.

Lets move on from this, he just said 'mediocre' meaning it wasnt a great issue personally for him this month, not slating the actual writers themselves, i'm sure that BBC article was well written the other month its just one thing i'm not interested in personally.

I do love the mag, have every issue, a very talented bunch of writers. But you cant please everyone and some months theres the odd article which doesnt jump out for me, i may come back to it at some point.

Yeah, that's fair enough. It's probably fair to say it's a case of both sides of the debate being overly precious about the wording of something. Each to their own :)

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:40 pm
by merman
I have never said "don't leave feedback" or "you can't have a different opinion". What I have said is that leaving a simple statement - even if it is your personal opinion - that an issue is bad or mediocre does not help the magazine. I've left negative comments in the past, but try to make them constructive. Explain why you think something is wrong and it will make the magazine better. There have been plenty of changes brought about by reader feedback.

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:27 pm
by RodimusPrime
merman wrote:I have never said "don't leave feedback" or "you can't have a different opinion". What I have said is that leaving a simple statement - even if it is your personal opinion - that an issue is bad or mediocre does not help the magazine. I've left negative comments in the past, but try to make them constructive. Explain why you think something is wrong and it will make the magazine better. There have been plenty of changes brought about by reader feedback.

I beleive he actually listed at least 7-8 reasons as to why he felt that way.

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:09 pm
by rockdjuk
RodimusPrime wrote:
merman wrote:I have never said "don't leave feedback" or "you can't have a different opinion". What I have said is that leaving a simple statement - even if it is your personal opinion - that an issue is bad or mediocre does not help the magazine. I've left negative comments in the past, but try to make them constructive. Explain why you think something is wrong and it will make the magazine better. There have been plenty of changes brought about by reader feedback.

I beleive he actually listed at least 7-8 reasons as to why he felt that way.
I did , but why let the facts get in the way of a good argument ??

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:37 pm
by 4am
If in rockdjuk's view the edition was mediocre, then he should be perfectly entitled to say so.

Unless I've misunderstood the definition and purpose of 'feedback', that is.

Re: Retro Gamer Issue 117 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:45 pm
by Hitman_HalStep
i'm back to being two issues behind again but couldn't wait to read the thief article today,really enjoyed it but wanted it to be longer or at least cover 2 and possibly 3,i was interested in the AI development especially as 3 has the best example i have ever seen.

again really enjoyed it and when i get round to reading the whole issue i'll end up reading it again.