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Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:40 am
by ChipTune
You aksed for opinions from readers on the new collectors guide so after reading it I thought I would contribute my thoughts.

But first, now that the N64 has had such a guide, does this mean you will be going back to all the other machines previously covered in retroinspection to give us guides to those to?

But anyway the feature.. Well I am immediately biased against it as I really do not like the N64, I think it was good at the time, but even then had limited good games, mario 64, mario kart 64, and goldeneye being the only really decent ones.. (ok yes there were more I know). Today it looks pretty awful and the games feel well below nintendo's usual standards, except for the above games.

It was a console that sits in the time period of the early 3d days so looks very shoddy by todays standards but doesnt have the 2d charm of its 8 and 16-bit forefathers.

But anyway. I feel the article itself was ok, but not as good as the usual retroinspection. Showing the boxes and manuals isn't of screenshots from the game is rubbish.. It's all acceptable until the exceptionally pointless check list.. this is a really uneccessary waste of space.. anyone THAT keen to collect every game for a machine can easily find this info online and it shouldnt clog up the magazine to the other 95% of readers who dont want to collect every 'whatever console' game..

e.g. I love the NES and famicom but I wouldnt want the mag to put 2 pages (maybe more for a console with so many games) of game lists.. its not exactly exciting reading now is it?

So yeah, not particularly impressed.. I think its a step backwards from retroinspection and has very limited appeal (the screenshots of boxes and manuals and the list of titles) to even those who like the console.

Dissappointed.. but then you can't hit a home run everytime can you..

Im sure I will now have a torrent of people criticising my opinions and sticking up for the mag, as many people seem to think retro gamer can do no wrong.. but I am an avid subscriber and I didnt like the article much..

Thanks for reading.. keep up the good work

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:24 am
by felgekarp
I've only had a quick skim through the mag but the couple of pages that was just a list of games for the N64 didn't do a great deal for me.

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:04 am
by thevulture
The N64 seems to be a console which will always encourage some energetic responses.Some love the machine, some not so keen.The games when viewed through todays eyes may well look 'dated', but then in fairness so do Saturn/3DO/Jaguar/PS1 games etc.These were early pioneers of 3D.By todays standards your talking low resolutions, limited textures, clipping, fogging etc etc, but i found the playability of so many N64 titles still stands up today.

RG is the only magazine i know that does listen to it's readership and takes on board constructive critiscm, ideas etc.As Darren can vouch, when i, like yourself find an article not to my liking or feel is a little sub-standard, i will point it out (Thought RG's Doom feature was'nt so hot, lot of confusion in there etc)-But Darren and the team go to great lengths to respond to the points etc we, the readers bring up and in this day and age, is for myself, worthy of a lot of respect.

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:09 am
by thevulture
Personally feel that it's a good thing that RG is trying new features, openly inviting feedback-This way the team get a feel of what works and what does'nt rather than just press on with features that majority don't take too.Magazine never going to cater for everyones taste, but it's very refreshing to find a magazine willing to experiment, listen and respond to it's market, rather than try and copy what other magazines are doing.

I'm cancelling magazine subscriptions as i'm constantly finding they offer so little.RG is'nt perfect (and thank the lord it's not...How boring would that be?), but as long as it continues to encourage and entertain, long may it prosper.

Rather than takes odds at your comments, i welcome them-You've made a very good case for and again'st, stated reasons why the article dissapointed etc.good grounds for debate.

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:24 pm
by RetroDaver
I thought the article was ok. I liked the info about things I had not come across like those almost gamecube pads. The list of games I found myself checking as I wanted to know the rarity of my games. However, I can understand the argument that I could have checked it online. I was a little surprised to not see Hey You Pikchu mentioned as I think there are very few n64 games which use a microphone. I guess it isn't unusual enough (I hadn't heard of many of the Japanese games you mentioned).

Enjoyed it. :)

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:35 pm
by sscott
I thought it was great!

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:52 pm
by Darran@Retro Gamer
Thanks for all the feedback so far. including ChipTune, who felt enough about it to want to put up the post in the first place. As some have probably guessed the Collector's Guide has been created for a number of reasons. Many new readers have asked for coverage on consoles and computers that we'd already featured, so we knew we'd have to cover them, but to do it in a way that it still felt fresh and exciting for those who've read past inspections.

And you're right ChipTune, it's not as informative as the retroinspections, but that's not the point. It was an opportunity to do something completely different and focus more on the hardware and games as opposed to text. I'm sure it's not going to be to everyone's tastes, but that RG for you. There are plenty of informative features in the rest of the issue this month, so hopefully it all balances out. I think it does, but then i'm bias.

And yes, if you hate the N64 then it's a massive waste of space. The same will no doubt be sad about the C64 one next month and the Saturn one the month after that. As for the checklist, yes it can be seen as a waste of space, but we thought it would be quite cool to include, and it's a good 4 pages short than the standing copy bargain guide we used to have.

Seriously though, please keep the comments coming. It's the only way we'll learn :)

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:27 pm
by Timothy Lumsden
it worked for me.

Seeing as all these machines have been 'retroinspected' - it seems pointless to compare the articles, as you cannot retroinspect a console twice - so looking at the collecting side of each machine seems like a good move.

as for the list? It might be usefuly just to list the rarer title - I think we can take it as read that if a title isn't rare it's probably common.

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:34 pm
by Joey
I have no love for the N64 but I really enjoyed the article.

No it's not as informative as a Retroinspection but that's because....... It's not a Retroinspection.

The list of games was pointless to me but to someone collecting for the system it would be great. You sometimes see requests for PAL lists on the forum so to have a hard copy in your hands is perfect for the relevant person.

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:41 pm
by Darran@Retro Gamer
Timothy Lumsden wrote:it worked for me.

Seeing as all these machines have been 'retroinspected' - it seems pointless to compare the articles, as you cannot retroinspect a console twice - so looking at the collecting side of each machine seems like a good move.

as for the list? It might be usefuly just to list the rarer title - I think we can take it as read that if a title isn't rare it's probably common.
Yeah the list will be in flux because there's no way we can cover machines like the PlayStation in a single spread. And let's face it, if people don't like 2 pages of games, they're certainly not going to be impressed with 4-10 of them. We'll sort something out though. We always do :)

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:56 pm
by CraigGrannell
Darran@Retro Gamer wrote:The same will no doubt be sad about the C64 one next month
<cheekyface>Looking forward to the 15,000-item checklist.</cheekyface>

(More seriously, I'm not really into collecting at all, and so the article didn't grab me, but it seemed a logical way to cover hardware that's featured before. Also, more importantly, people have been banging on for years that the mag wasn't doing enough regarding people who collect games, and so the feature seemed pretty well suited to plugging that hole.)

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:24 pm
by Mayhem
CraigGrannell wrote:<cheekyface>Looking forward to the 15,000-item checklist.</cheekyface>
Already made that joke :P

Although the C64 feature isn't until issue #89 until Darran hasn't told me something heh...

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:28 pm
by ninjabearhug
A 2 page game list isn't really that appealing. Same goes for pages 24 & 25, surely they could have been used for something better, a larger section on the different consoles maybe or cover some N64 memoribilia, maybe even get another collector's perspective. Game lists are all well and good, but there's loads of sites that have them so surely you could just chuck a link to retro collect or something in there.

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the article and am looking forward to the next one, especially if it's C64 as it's something I'm thinking about picking up again. In fact it's probably had the most articles of interest to me for a while :).

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:03 am
by mjhardisty
Personally, and from recent collecting experience it would be very useful to include accurate (as far as possible) valuations. In recent years the Bargain Hunt section in the magazine has never been accurate, and as far as I can remember has never been updated. Try finding a ZX Spectrum or a BBC Micro for £10 on eBay ......

The articles should also try and cover a range of valuations depending on what is actually up for sale - ie, boxed or not, number of controllers, condition, included games, etc. These all have an impact on the final price of the auction and I feel would be a valuable guide to anyone attempting to start buying - i.e., is that Buy It Now price really reflective of the item, and is that item really *RARE* (it never is)? This also should apply to games - original or re-release, box contents, etc, etc.

Re: Issue 87 - Collectors Guide Opinon

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:32 am
by jdanddiet
mjhardisty wrote:Personally, and from recent collecting experience it would be very useful to include accurate (as far as possible) valuations. In recent years the Bargain Hunt section in the magazine has never been accurate, and as far as I can remember has never been updated. Try finding a ZX Spectrum or a BBC Micro for £10 on eBay ......

The articles should also try and cover a range of valuations depending on what is actually up for sale - ie, boxed or not, number of controllers, condition, included games, etc. These all have an impact on the final price of the auction and I feel would be a valuable guide to anyone attempting to start buying - i.e., is that Buy It Now price really reflective of the item, and is that item really *RARE* (it never is)? This also should apply to games - original or re-release, box contents, etc, etc.
No No NO valuations please. Varies too much and is too subjective, I liked it fine as it was just listing rare/uncommon etc. Just searching completed listings on ebay gives you a good guide on price.

and u say about spectrum, I sold mine recently for £11.50 with a cassette recorder. And I think most collectors will already be aware of the differences sometimes between boxed and loose games.

Overall an excellent feature. I'll like it even more when it covers a system I actually like!