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Post by Weblaus » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:44 am

Crunchy wrote:Each to his own beliefs though Dudley.
Of course, being a bit of an arsehole you probably can't comprehend that.
Nice one, that. Really helps in getting your point across, let's see if Opa-Opa jumps on you the way he did on me for use of language...

And you might want to explain how the whole "ban everthing I don't like" movement fits in with the "Each to his own beliefs" statement.

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Post by Dudley » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:45 am

Crunchy wrote: Each to his own beliefs though Dudley.
Of course, being a bit of an arsehole you probably can't comprehend that.
If I was the one who started a thread to get what I didn't like banned then you'd have a point.

As it is, no you don't. I'm the one defending each to his own beliefs. Jonathon and several others are trying to inflict theirs on other people.
Dudly, you yourself wrote on this forum that the sales figures for RG was roughly 24000 taken from the MCV, I am sure that a full page ad does not come to £12000 which is what an extra 0.50p would generate....

As for the list of "bad things" you posted, these are fictional games not porn lines and as parents we teach our children the diffence between reality and fiction. We could I guess tell our children that porn lines are not real but then we would be lying and we also teach children that lying is wrong so that would be rather hypocritical.
The sales figure was wrong. I used 50p because someone else used it before me, even Darran doesn't know the real number.

Alternatively you could just tell them not to call them. They're about as real as games as anyway. Probably more so since games simulate the actual act.
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Post by mel the bell » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:47 am

Dudley wrote:In the meantime though, THIS is A-OK!

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WOOOAH *canks wock* :P
On 2003-12-08 20:15, cyborg wrote:
You're all corporate bitches if you buy a console - face it. Unless it's a Phantom - in that case you're just stupid - because even if it did exist it'd be crap

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Post by markopoloman » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:48 am

Parenting.........

Duders - parenting is a tough old job - but I believe I am doing a very good job. My kids are well behaved, have good manners and will ASK to use the phone. I don't believe for one second that any of my kids will phone the chat lines. I would be surprised if my 12 yr old son even looked at the ads in question.

BUT I along with a fair few other people agree that these ads should have no place in RG (or any other mag that is not a 'lads' mag).

I am sure these ads will stay and will increase over the coming months - and it is wrong. full stop.

How many of us here have dialed the 'phone a censored' numbers then?

My eldest child is 12 - he is getting close to 'THE AGE' where he will realise girls are for more than saying 'yuk' about! We do not have porn in the house, we do not buy the sun and we aim not to let them watch 'Adult' content on TV. I know the kids will get to see this stuff eventually - but when I have to consider stopping him reading a Retro Gaming mag........
DAFT!

As for the rest of the content - all the violent games etc. I see a BIG difference in the two. One is animated and un-realistic and the other is real.

I'm sure there will follow another of your 'answer for every point made' posts - but at the end of the day, the people FOR the ads won't change there minds and the people AGAINST the ads won't change there minds.

Its all a little pointless discussing it anymore! :roll:

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Post by Dudley » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:50 am

Agreed to most of that.

Although I'd struggle to see some of todays games as "obviously unrealistic".

I'd also suggest I'd rather have a son phone a couple of them than father a child at 14...
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Post by mel the bell » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:53 am

Dudley wrote:Agreed to most of that.

Although I'd struggle to see some of todays games as "obviously unrealistic".

I'd also suggest I'd rather have a son phone a couple of them than father a child at 14...
WOOOAH *canks wock*
I can scan it bigger if you like... :)
if you could just photoshop it and get rid of the musclebound freak :P
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Post by Opa-Opa » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:53 am

Dudley wrote:Agreed to most of that.

Although I'd struggle to see some of todays games as "obviously unrealistic".
We are not talking about "todays" games, we are talking about RETRO games....

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Post by Weblaus » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:55 am

Opa-Opa wrote:Why are you trying to turn this into a race issue.? I never said anything about you living in a caveman society or poisoning blood lines, I just pointed out that you have no idea about parenting what so ever which you have proved yet again by stating that schools teach children to read and that parents have nothing to do with the learning process.?
If you had any experance bringing up children you would know that it is vital to teach your child from a very early age to read and write before they go to school otherwise they just get left behind in the learning process once they start school.
Thats what the parents with a good sense of what is right for their child do, parents with no sense just let kids be kids (laze around, eat chocolate and fight with their brothers/sisters) and then later in life its the "kids" who suffer.
Obviously you do assume I'm living in a backwards world, because here, kids DO learn to read and write in school, not in Kindergarten or on their own - and miraculosely, despite all that, they're usually doing just fine. I'll give to you that I might not exactly know who these things are handled in the UK, but judging from your descriptions I'd have to think your school system has a big problem if kids already need to know all about reading and writing before attending.

I'm inclined to point out that I also believe that parents have no sense when they're putting their kids in front of video games at this age, because that's in fact lazy parenting to me. And that I think a society where "being a kid" is seen as a negative thing (since you obviously can't imagine this phase having nicer downsides) for kids is a pretty sad place to be.

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Post by markopoloman » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:56 am

Opa-Opa wrote:
Dudley wrote:Agreed to most of that.

Although I'd struggle to see some of todays games as "obviously unrealistic".
We are not talking about "todays" games, we are talking about RETRO games....
Yes - Retro games - hence the un-realistic.

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Post by Dudley » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:57 am

Opa-Opa wrote:
Dudley wrote:Agreed to most of that.

Although I'd struggle to see some of todays games as "obviously unrealistic".
We are not talking about "todays" games, we are talking about RETRO games....
The FULL page ad on the back is for one of today's games.
ll give to you that I might not exactly know who these things are handled in the UK, but judging from your descriptions I'd have to think your school system has a big problem if kids already need to know all about reading and writing before attending.
There is something wrong, but that's because generally they don't seem to know how to read and write when they LEAVE.
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Post by Weblaus » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:59 am

Opa-Opa wrote:
Dudley wrote:Agreed to most of that.

Although I'd struggle to see some of todays games as "obviously unrealistic".
We are not talking about "todays" games, we are talking about RETRO games....
So chopping somebody's head off is okay when it's in a resolution of 320x200 or less?

I'd like to see what the outcry will be if RG ever was to run an article on oldschool erotic games...

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Post by Dudley » Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:02 pm

Weblaus wrote: I'd like to see what the outcry will be if RG ever was to run an article on oldschool erotic games...
They've mentioned some a couple before. I guess Jonathon was otherwise engaged at the time.
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Post by Weblaus » Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:03 pm

Dudley wrote:
WOOOAH *canks wock*
I can scan it bigger if you like... :)
I wish I had a scanner at home to put up a page of what you can find in gaming mags over here, now that would surely get a few heart-attacks running.

And despite all that, our children don't go around raping women behind every corner.

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Post by markopoloman » Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:04 pm

Dudley wrote:
Opa-Opa wrote:
Dudley wrote:Agreed to most of that.

Although I'd struggle to see some of todays games as "obviously unrealistic".
We are not talking about "todays" games, we are talking about RETRO games....
The FULL page ad on the back is for one of today's games.
ll give to you that I might not exactly know who these things are handled in the UK, but judging from your descriptions I'd have to think your school system has a big problem if kids already need to know all about reading and writing before attending.
There is something wrong, but that's because generally they don't seem to know how to read and write when they LEAVE.

The Full page ad on the back is for Rogue Trooper - I would hardly call that realistic!!!!

Weblaus - sorry, you say in Germany kids learn to read when 6 - my kids attend school at the age of 4 and start learning from that age. OK some learn faster than others and they won't be able to read a huge amount! Just thought I'd point out the age difference!!! :wink:

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Post by Crunchy » Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:04 pm

Dudley wrote:
Crunchy wrote: Each to his own beliefs though Dudley.
Of course, being a bit of an arsehole you probably can't comprehend that.
If I was the one who started a thread to get what I didn't like banned then you'd have a point.

As it is, no you don't. I'm the one defending each to his own beliefs. Jonathon and several others are trying to inflict theirs on other people.
Was the thread actually started to get them banned then? Or was it just someone expressing their sadness that RG has sunk so low?

You're not trying to inflict your beliefs on people then?

Well I never. :roll:

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